Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhys Williams (footballer)

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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rhys Williams (footballer)

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This article was deleted just yesterday after a PROD. The player's situation has not changed since then, and the current article makes no decent claim for this player's notability. – PeeJay 17:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. – PeeJay 17:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Subject has played in a professional league, which would seem to lend him notability. However, it is difficult to tell from the current version of the article. If no one can add some more info in a few weeks, nominate it again. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 17:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - can you cite where you learned that he had played in a professional league? As far as I am aware, he has been at Middlesbrough for his whole career, and he hasn't made an appearance for them. – PeeJay 17:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
    • It looks as though Middlesbrough is professional, and has been since 1889. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 18:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
      • For fuck's sake, why don't people understand that merely being on the books of a professional club does not qualify someone as notable? If he hasn't played a match for Boro, which he hasn't, then he's not notable. – PeeJay 18:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
        • Please remain civil. I stand by my call. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 19:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
          • You stand by your call even though you've been proved wrong? We know Middlesborough is a professional club, the point is lots of players may be on a team's books but they actually have to play for the first team to become notable on Wikipedia. Nick mallory (talk) 20:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
          • I apologise for my use of profanity, Lifebaka. My outburst was not specifically directed at you. It's just that this article was deleted less than 24 hours ago, and all of a sudden it's been recreated by some pillock who doesn't understand the notability guidelines. Now, I understand you are not a regular contributor to football-related articles. I, however, am, and so you'd think I'd know a thing or two about such articles. Your "weak keep" vote is founded on misguided reasoning, and is not inkeeping with the notability guidelines pertaining to football-related articles. – PeeJay 20:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
            • User:Lifebaka states "Subject has played in a professional league", however this is not true, the subject has never played in an actual first-team match for Middlesbrough, in fact he isn't even part of the first-team sqaud as at the current date. Therefore delete until such time as he makes an actual first-team appearance for Boro or any other club..... ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - he's played in the reserves and signed a pro contract in july[1] but hasn't played for the first team yet. 81.77.136.231 (talk) 18:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Per nominator. Happy New Year!! Malinaccier (talk) 21:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:BIO as he has not played in a fully-professional league. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, my understanding is that footballers playing for lower level squads are generally not notable until they play in the first-team squad, similar to how a baseball player playing for a minor league affiliate of say the New York Yankees wouldn't be notable until he actually plays in a regular season game with the Yankees. Mr Senseless (talk) 23:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete never played in a professional league. His games have been limited to Boro reserves hence fails WP:N. Peanut4 (talk) 01:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:BIO BanRay 16:38, 31 December 2007 (U
• rhys was at a club in its academy when a junior in perth australia, that club is called joondalup city and they play in the west australian professional league 1, he definitely started games for them in the first team and even though his status at the time may not have been professional he played games with them, regards timmo
  • Any chance of some documentary evidence of that? Wikipedia articles are based on verifiability, not the truth. If you can verify that Williams played for a professional team, then of course the article should stay. – PeeJay 14:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - per nom and failure of WP:BIO. robwingfield ^«T•C» 18:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment This unofficial but very detailed West Australian soccer site [2] has the 15-year-old Williams playing in Round 22 of the Football West State League Premier Division for ECU Joondalup on 11.9.2004. It confirms this is the same person as the Middlesbrough Williams [3] on 7.2.2007. This is a second-level league in Australia, below the A-League. As it appears he did play first-team football in this league, perhaps someone more knowledgeable than myself could confirm whether or not it is a professional league. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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