Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhode Island Route 11

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nomination withdrawn. I'll even do the merge requested by Polaron myself. Selket Talk 21:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rhode Island Route 11

Rhode Island Route 11 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Not notable road, will be nominated with similar others. No claim of notability Selket Talk 00:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because: same reason

Rhode Island Route 403 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Rhode Island Route 142 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  • Strong keep per WP:USRD/P. This AFD will most likely be the same way.  V60 VTalk · VDemolitions · Editor review 2! 00:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep for Route 403 as it is a major arterial that is currently being upgraded to a freeway. Merge and redirect Route 11 to Route 121 and Route 142 to Route 114 since these designations no longer exist. --Polaron | Talk 01:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep both all three. State highways are automatically notable. Notability is not lost when a designation is withdrawn or changed. --Eastmain 01:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep 402, Merge 11 and 142 per Polaron. State highways are notable, the state government has deemed them notable enough to give them a legal designation. It is true that notability is not lost when a designation is changed, but there's no reason to repeat information on the same road in two separate articles. -- NORTH talk 01:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep 403, merge 11 and 142 as detailed by Polaron. The article on Route 403 has been improved, and the other two articles would be better suited as items in the history sections of Routes 121 and 114, respectively. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 01:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. None of you have any good reasons. US federal and local jurisdictiosns will designate ALL public roads with a number, therefore not all numbered roads are automatically notable. A lot of roads are being improved all over the country as we speak, so expansion or cleanup does not make roads more notable. There are hundreds of state highways, but not all are special. Probably no road would be as notorious as Rt. 66, but why is RI Rt. 11 notable? Why should we remember this road? Does it lead to somewhere special? Was it built for alterior motives like the Autobahn? Did the developers have to kill a few thousand people to build this road? Anything is better than nothing that we have now. -- Emana 04:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Is Interstate 295 (Delaware-New Jersey) notable? Is California State Route 37? If you don't think so, please think again, since both of those articles are GAs! Nobody would know about any of those routes in Florida. One of the most important ways it makes these routes notable is that they are signed into law. And this applies to Interstate, US, and State Routes; County Routes are disputed.
    • Another point—labeling our arguments as ILIKEIT (as you have implied in "None of you have good reasons.") is very insulting. Just because you say IDONTLIKEIT (meaning saying that this is "roadcruft") violates a core policy, and that people don't always have to follow the IDONTLIKEIT reason.  V60 VTalk · VDemolitions · Editor review 2! 04:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Reply: Regarding Route 403, this is part of the principal route linking Quonset Point to the city pf Warwick. Quonset Point was the location of a U.S. Navy shipyard in World War II. Although the base has since closed, it is now the site of a large industrial park with companies that still do defense contracting. It also serves Quonset State Airport, base of the Rhode Island Air National Guard. --Polaron | Talk 04:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Not ALL public roads are assigned; there's plenty of residential streets and desolate backroads with no number whatsoever, and these roads are not notable. However, by signing the road as a primary state route, the state has asserted that this route is an integral part of their state highway network, as opposed to some unnumbered stretch of pavement that doesn't go anywhere important. Notability is not subjective. Krimpet 04:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep w/above merge. The notability of state highways is very well-grounded in consensus. Krimpet 04:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply to V60. Well, good for I-295 and CA Rt. 37. I didn't comment on those two roads. They seem to express notability very well. I did not label any one of you "roadcruft". I didn't even know that such slang existed. I didn't vote for deletion, did I? I did explain why I thought the arguments were weak, as outlined in WP:ILIKEIT, didn't I? I was saying that anybody can expand these articles to support keeping them. I'm sorry if I have insulted or humiliated you. I am FOR great articles. As for now, RI Rt. 11 needs an {{expand}} tag and should be lowered to a {{stub}}. -- Emana 05:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Under the argument that was put forth above (and seconded many times) It seems that any road anywhere in the world should be notable -- or at least any road with a number. I am curious if the people who support this line of reasoning think it only applies to American roads, or if it should be true for foreign country's as well. Should there be pages for Moroccan: A1, N1, 2301, and 8202 through Larache; N2, N13, P39, and 410 through Derdara; French E70, A72, D10, D3, D8, D88, N88, N488, D201, D3, N498, D11, and N82 through Saint-Ettiene; and what about 302, 315, 494, 308, 58, 314, 197, 284, PA, IC, 41, and 320 through some city in Japan (google maps uses kanji for the city names for some reason)? My point is there are a lot of streets in the world. They are not all notable. At some level we need to decide whether wikipedia is or is not a road atlas. --Selket Talk 05:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
If there's enough to write about them, sure. If not, you can use a list like List of bus routes in Brooklyn and redirect. --NE2 12:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, all those routes are potentially notable if someone takes the time to research them and write a full-length article, as those countries have decided to include them in their primary highway networks. The fact that the English Wikipedia is skewered towards United States highways is inevitable given there aren't as many Wikipedia editors in rural Morocco. (And we're not talking "streets" here, we're only talking highways.) Krimpet 17:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep State of Rhode Island established notability by numbering these roads. Fg2 07:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. State highways make up the backbone of an area's transportation network, and are at least as important as railways and airports in terms of usage. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is a pointless nom as notability of state highways has been upheld as short as a few weeks ago. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 08:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep Must we have to defend every article when notability has already been established? • master_sonLets talk 11:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. - Kittybrewster 11:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep- per above Astrotrain 12:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge 11 and 142 (either together, since they were the same road, or both into 121); keep 403 (but possibly merge that with Quonset Freeway). --NE2 12:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep - per well established consensus that all state highways are notable. --Analogdemon (talk) 15:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep - getting seriously close to violating WP:POINT. --Holderca1 16:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
    • As there have now been two independent suggestions that I nominated these articles in bad faith, I feel the need to address them. I came across these articles because I was trying to clear Category:Articles to be merged since April 2006 -- not because of some vendetta I have against roads. These articles contained little content and no assertion of notability beyond the implied assertion, which has been raised here, of a number being assigned to them. I did a google search (for example Rhode Island Route 11 -wikipedia) and found no relevant pages that satisfied WP:NN in my opinion. WP:NN does not have a special section for roads and does not link to WP:USRD/P, which, as I understand it, is not a policy. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that last point, but it appears to be maintained by a small group of the same users who are now accusing me of bad faith nominations and violating WP:POINT. Clearly I have walked into something when there is an IRC or newsletter coordinated response to any posting of a road for deletion. Please remember assume good faith. A brief look at my edit history would clearly indicate that I am not a sockpuppet of whomever this highways community had a beef with in the past. --Selket Talk 20:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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