Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reza F. Safa

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete per an apparent lack of notability. --jonny-mt 05:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reza F. Safa

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Massive conflict of interest with article author. I've read this through a dozen times, and it's still really just an advertisement. While this subject does pop up on a Google search, I still can't see that he meets notability requirements. Most of the references are Safa's own books (and one of the references is a Bible verse). Author (whose username is probably a violation of WP:U) twice removed my cleanup tags with no explanation. Overall, a promotional article for a marginally notable subject with huge COI issues. Tan | 39 05:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I have written this article for Pastor Reza F. Safa. He is a very notable man... It is a biography, that is why they are taken from his own book. If you would like, I can re write the article from a more factual point of view describing his life.. Please work with me here before you delete it. Thank you for your time —Preceding unsigned comment added by TBNNejattv (talk • contribs) 05:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete — I'm afraid we can only work with you to the extent that Mr Safa is notable. I just don't see how he meets WP:BIO. And I've twice added speedy deletion tags that have been removed by TBNNejattv. — Lincolnite (talk) 09:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - TBNNejattv, if the subject of the article is notable it should be possible to get independent references for the article. So that would mean not relying solely on websites he's associated with, or books his written. If better refs can't supplied i too think it ought to be deleted. TBNNejattv, read this page over: WP:BIO.--Celtus (talk) 10:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - TBNNejattv, please read WP:COI and WP:NPOV carefully before editing any further. I edited the article and removed all instances of points of views and unverifiable sources. If you can fix that and bring some third-party published reliable sources soon then I'd be glad to support keeping it. Otherwise, it would be deleted. -- GarbageCollection - !Collect 13:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - TBNNejattv (talk) 20:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Okay, thank you very much for your help. I greatly appreciate you all taking time to work with me on this article. I am new to Wikipedia and i think i am starting to understand your perspective on deleting this article. I think it is because I do not have enough sources (references) from third party websites or books and because I wrote it differently than presenting facts. I am going to try and edit it some more, even add a new subject to help with WP:COI.

Please give me some time to edit and work on this page. Again thank you very much TBN Nejat TV

  • Comment - the article does have significant problems, as noted above, but may well be fixable by the main author. I'm happy to wait a few days to see how it changes. Tim Ross (talk) 20:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - TBNNejattv (talk) 23:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Okay guys, I have updated the article. Please tell me what you think and if i need to further correct it. I have added a bunch of third party websites to the list of references. Also I told more about TBN Nejat TV - the television network Reza Safa started.

Thanks guys! cant wait to hear back from you - TBN Nejat TV

  • Comment If I understand the article correctly, this person runs a television network in Iran, a branch of TBN. Most of the sources that would meet the reliable source guidelines are from TBN or its affiliates. If this person is a noteworthy television broadcaster in Iran, can we confirm this from sources that are not directly from TBN? The conflict of interest makes it hard to tell if this is a notable person, of if the sources are simply the promotion of one of their own programs. It seems likely that an American-style Christian televangelism network in Iran would definitely be newsworthy; are there Iranian newspapers discussing it, either in English or in Farsi? If we can't find sources of his notability published anywhere other than by his own employers, it would seem to argue against his notability; if he is truly doing such noteworthy missionary work on behalf of Christianity in Iran, this seems like something that Iranian sources would be talking about. - FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment If you notice reference number 16, it is from a magazine article written about him in English. I'm sure there are articles about him written in Farsi, BUT, under the circumstances, I do not understand Farsi well enough to understand what they are saying. Sorry for that inconvenience —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.143.53.31 (talk) 01:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - According to the AFD headers, there has been a previous AFD on this, whose result was Keep. Contrary to what FisherQueen concluded, I read the article that the subject is broadcasting by satellite into Iran. I am aware from other sources that Christian broadcasting to Iran does take place, though I know nothing of the subject of this article. My guess is that in Tulsa he is a very run-of-the-mill kind of pastor, who would be NN if all he did was pastor a church there. However broadcasting the Christian gospel to Iran is potentially notable. As a person of Iranian extraction, I presume the programming is in Farsi. I hear stories of the gospel being well-received there, but it is a very sensitive subject on which only limited (and general) information can be published, as we do not want more people martyred for becoming Christians, something that was happending periodically a few years ago. Note that TBNNejattv is the main author and evidently closely connected with the broadcasts. That gives rise to a conflect of interest, but does not necessarily mean that the content is wrong of affect the notability of the subject. That is soenting that needs to be judged objectively. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. Bhaktivinode (talk) 01:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete not notable. Culturalrevival (talk) 03:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.