Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reiko Mouryou

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 01:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reiko Mouryou and Contemplating Reiko

Alexa ranking of 397,346, and no other claims to notability. While it may not be self-promotion, it seems promotional. Locke Cole 07:42, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

• Weak Delete for now. —Locke Cole 07:42, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Appears to be a non-notable webcomic; in the absence of evidence to the contrary, delete and suggest that the author consider Comixpedia instead. — Haeleth Talk 14:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Taintedink has made assertions of notability that I'm not confident of my ability to judge. Revoking my vote pending further evidence and expert opinions. I will say that I don't think two articles are needed - if the verdict is to keep Contemplating Reiko, I would think that Reiko Mouryou should probably be merged into it per WP:FICT's recommendation that individual articles be reserved for world-famous cultural icons. — Haeleth Talk 22:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - Contemplating Reiko is a long-running comic often in the top fifteen if not the top ten highest ranking web comics on such sites as Buzzcomix.net, Top Webcomics, and The Webcomics List. Contemplating Reiko has also made an appearance in the immensely popular Neurotically Yours series and been published in Zoinks magazine and Lollipop magazine. Why is it then considered "Non-notable"? This Wikipedia entry has also been up since July with no complaints until recent expansion on the entry. If it seems "promotional" then a rewording of offending text seems more appropriate than deletion. -Taintedink 18:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Two magazines I've never heard of and at least one comic ranking site that seems to be a haven for self promoters (specifically with Buzzcomics.net, I note that Penny Arcade doesn't even break the top 100 on their list; but then maybe there's something I missed). If you'd like me to reconsider my vote, give some sources for this notability that aren't biased or are themselves notable. —Locke Cole 19:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
    • The publication details are verifiable: the comic has indeed appeared in both claimed magazines. Zoinks is a new 'zine devoted to printing webcomics; it's published two issues so far, and it's unclear how selective they are or what their circulation is. However, Lollipop is a more significant concern - it's been running for over five years, and claims a circulation of 30,000, which is pretty good for a 'zine so far as I know. If I'm reading their gallery correctly, they've printed 48 cartoons by the author of Contemplating Reiko. I'm honestly not sure whether that compensates for this comic's relatively weak online presence.

      Taintedink, from your username it seems probable that you have direct connections with the comic. If that's the case, would you happen to be able to provide more information on its popularity? For example, traffic figures for the site that aren't distorted by Alexa's bias towards non-techie users might reveal greater popularity than is currently apparent. Review WP:WEB for the guidelines we normally follow for inclusion - though they are only guidelines rather than strict policies, you could tip the scales in the comic's favour by demonstrating that it has notability equivalent to anything on that page. — Haeleth Talk 22:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable for being published outside the web and for the Neurotically Yours cameo. I think it's safe to keep this given the current form of WP:WEB that's being bandied about. Xuanwu 06:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: I do support the idea of putting the info on Reiko into the comic page, as this is keeping with WP:WEB's policy on trying to remain parsiminous with the number of pages devoted to a single thing. Xuanwu 06:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Contemplating Reiko, Merge and Redirect Reiko Mouryou in to Contemplating Reiko. I'll accept that the comic may be notable for the above cited reasons, but I still don't believe it's notable enough to warrant articles for individual characters (even the lead). Besides, as the comic article is fairly short, I think expanding it with the lead characters info would prove useful. (As an example of why I don't believe the lead should have an article– as far as I know Gabe and Tycho of Penny Arcade don't have their own articles). —Locke Cole 07:35, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: This seems logical and fair. Merging the two will expand the length of the stub. -Taintedink 01:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and merge both articles.Rvalles 03:16, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Taintedink and Xuanwu. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 06:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.