Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red army crimes in Estonia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, an obvious POV fork by a user currently blocked due to his inability to rein in his strong opinions. The path from here to an article compliant with fundamental policies is not clear, and it is close to impossible to sort any valid material from the mess of uncited opinion. Presence of this content degrades the encyclopaedia. Guy (Help!) 17:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red army crimes in Estonia

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Arbitrary POV essay, continuation of user's POV pushing; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red army crimes in Lithuania. `'Miikka 03:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

So, why you placed this article not in a historical but science chapter for deleting starting from my article about red bandits crimes in Lithuania placing in HISTORY chapter? Are you trying to hide systematic attack on category Red Army crimes?Ttturbo 07:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree that such article is NPOW kind if there is no category like Millitary history of Soviet Union below the text. This, history consists of victories against nazzi, heroes, terrible loosings, economical changes etc. But if we stay this theme alone without crime analysis commited, then we occure in NPOW position supporting red side. I suppose, my position becouse of context category to be balanced enough to stay in the limits of neutral POWTtturbo 08:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Clearly POV. eaolson 03:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete This article is trying to push a point of view. It is not encyclopedic because of this.--†Sir James Paul† 04:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
• Merge with Red Army atrocities (WWII)?Some thing 05:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. History items like this should be in the article on the country, or the history of the country. Putting up a page like this is content forking, and the whole thing is written with a disturbing level of bias. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy delete and salt the earth. See Sjakkale. No reason to merge this one. Can we also agree that threaded comment here is immediately moved to the talk page? Judging by the page quoted by Miikka, this page is going to be attacked soon. --Pan Gerwazy 07:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
• Strong delete per nomination and my comment on the above related AfD. MartinDK 08:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
• Merge - Disagree with the nominator. Kingjeff 15:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Likely covered in Red Army article. POV-filled.--JForget 01:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. Very noteworthy topic, main Red Army crimes article will get too long if all sub-articles are merged. Trying to delete something from Wikipedia does not make them not happen. Article needs expanding, though. DLX 08:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep, but add more information and sources and modify the text. Wikipedia is some process of creation, but not the court! Please, discuss this article first and only after this make abstract vote debates. Supporting of any war crime or military crime hiders is colaboration with criminal murders - so it is the crime too, like situation about holocost denying!!!Ttturbo 07:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• Merge, into Soviet war crimes article including references. The Soviet war crimes article itself could then be expanded with other similar articles, so there would not be any need to merge it with Soviet war crimes (WWII) as it has been suggested. --Ukas 14:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and expand as a country specific sub article of Soviet war crimes. Red Army crimes in Estonia are well known and documented here [1] Martintg 19:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• Merge as a subsection to where its appropriate and make this a redirect.It is valid content, but its too little to make an article on its own.--Alexia Death 19:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, another crappy article by the same author. Pavel Vozenilek 21:49, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• Merge, the same thoughts as Ukas'. --Erkkimon ^{(Smg 2 complain?!)} 00:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, POV fork of already existing articles. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 01:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Merge where appropriate or possibly rename. The title is inappropriate. The topic is not war crimes by the Red Army and the Soviet Army (the Army was renamed later) but mainly the aggressive policy and acts of the Soviet Russia and the Soviet Union against Estonia, partly the Soviet Union's unjust treating of Estonians. Therefore I don't think Soviet war crimes is the appropriate article to merge into. Perhaps there is no need for the collection like this but it should be made sure that each individual item is present in Wikipedia. Andres 06:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Article is poorly sourced and has POV issues. I wouldn't mind seeing a legitimate article on this topic, though, so no prejudice to recreation in another form. —Psychonaut 11:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.