Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red Army crimes in Ukraine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, an obvious POV fork by a user currently blocked due to his inability to rein in his strong opinions. The path from here to an article compliant with fundamental policies is not clear, and it is close to impossible to sort any valid material from the mess of uncited opinion. Presence of this content degrades the encyclopaedia. Guy (Help!) 17:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red Army crimes in Ukraine

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One more POV pushing essay of an extremely angry Commie-hater who cannot be convinced by many people in similar votes Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red army crimes in Lithuania, ..in Georgia and ..in Estonia that this is a wrong way to write encyclopedia. `'Miikka 21:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

So, why you placed this article not in a historical but science chapter for deleting starting from my article [about red bandits crimes in Lithuania placing in HISTORY chapter? Are you trying to hide systematic attack on category Red Army crimes?Ttturbo 07:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree that such article is NPOW kind if there is no category like Millitary history of Soviet Union below the text. This, history consists of victories against nazzi, heroes, terrible loosings, economical changes etc. But if we stay this theme alone without crime analysis commited, then we occure in NPOW position supporting red side. I suppose, my position becouse of context category to be balanced enough to stay in the limits of neutral POWTtturbo 08:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Delete and a warning to the user who keeps creating them. If not, we'll soon see Red Army crimes in the Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. Acroterion _(talk) 22:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete definitely useless, as some of it may be mentionned in the Red Army article anyways--JForget 00:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Agree article is useless, this kind of information can be in Red Army article and possibly in a general spin off if necessary, but definitely not individual articles on Ukraine, Estonia, etc.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 02:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete this needs to go per Acroterion. Excellent example of POV and possibly original research as well. Rackabello 14:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete per Acroterion, though I would have used "Red Army Crimes in Reichskommissariat Moskowien". After all, he is accusing the Red Army of the heinous crime of putting actually Ukrainians in charge of Chernobyl. The way the author has responded to the first AfD by creating comparable articles and categories is disruptive, whether or not he does this to make deletion of his brainchilren difficult by creating links between them(="wiki bomb"?).--Pan Gerwazy 17:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• Not delete, but add more information and sources and modify the text. Wikipedia is some process of creation, but not the court! Please, discuss this article first and only after this make abstract vote debates. Supporting of any war crime or military crime hiders is colaboration with criminal murders - so it is the crime too, like situation about holocost denying!!!Ttturbo 07:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, WP is not place for amateurish history of such poor quality. Pavel Vozenilek 21:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as POV-fork and disruption article. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 01:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. I had PROD'ed it (for POV/OR problems) when I saw it in New-Articles...without knowing the whole "Red Army crimes in *" or creator's situation. The page itself seems by its very framing of the topic as a hopelessly POV content fork or spin on existing topics. Anything encyclopediac that has reliable sources should be in the pages about the specific groups/places/history. Until and unless there is enough material specific to Red Army crimes in a certain place, actual content more than just a chronological list, no need for that specific an article...even lists need justification and actual content in order to stand as their own article. DMacks 05:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete origional research--Sefringle^Talk 05:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Article is poorly sourced and has POV issues. I wouldn't mind seeing a legitimate article on this topic, though, so no prejudice to recreation in another form. —Psychonaut 11:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.