Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rayuan Pulau Kelapa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Singularity 04:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rayuan Pulau Kelapa

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The article started as a song text. After discussion as to the legality of this, it was altered and became a discussion of the song and its significance. As I speak Indonesian and know something about Indonesian culture, I added my two cents. However, somebody has now clapped so many tags on the article that they take up as much space as the text itself.

Probably this editor knows more about the subject than I do, and therefore is aware of improvements which could be made. As I myself see no room for improvement on this sort of subject at all (a brief discussion, to my mind, is all that is required, and a brief discussion this is) I am at a loss, and I think it would be more elegant and indeed more generous to remove the article altogether than to let it exist, no doubt for years and years, encumbered with these labels. They do not contribute to the article's quality: to my mind, it is not a bad text, and indeed is informative, but then I have cooperated on it myself.

I would like to apologize very sincerely to the original poster of the article, whose intentions, I am convinced, were honest and constructive. It is a pity events have taken this turn. Bessel Dekker (talk) 14:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy keep - The tags only call attention to a need for minor improvements; they are no reason to delete the article. Wikification and categorization were trivial, and I deleted those tags. --teb728 t c 18:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy keep I see no reason to delete this article, nor is any supplied why to delete this article, apart from the esthetics of pageissue tags. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• I had a shot at cleanup. 122.167.100.132 (talk) 19:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. Article has been cleaned up, subject is notable. Aecis^Brievenbus 23:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - appears to be a notable song, but the article needs referenced (so tagged). -- Whpq (talk) 18:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Back to square one. This was the tag I objected to in the first place, and I am sure that it will sit there for years and years to come. What is the point? Meanwhile, my sincere thanks to previous contributors (above) for their help. Bessel Dekker (talk) 20:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The "keep" was based on the fact that this search suprisingly turned up results with the first one looking like it might be substatial, but alas the link seems to be dead. I expect that there may be non-english sources. However, that is solely my opinion, and other edittor may feel differently. -- Whpq (talk) 20:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I do not object to the "keep", on the contrary. However, I am rather discouraged by the tagging-untagging-retagging process (of the same template), and that is what I meant by "back to square one". After all, it is not as if this article has any controversial content. The subject is at a certain remove from Anglo-Saxon (or: western) culture, true. For all that, it seems to me rather futile to hunt out sources for statements any Indonesian would be familiar with. Well, most of them. Bessel Dekker (talk) 00:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.