Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raymundo Baltazar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. (aeropagitica) 22:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Raymundo Baltazar

Not Notable Kmaguir1 04:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete: This guy only seems notable through his appearance in Project Runway. A google search of his name get 1200 hits. Outside of this he's been in one indie movie, and apparently submitted a design for the WTC Memorial. I don't claim to know anything about the fashion world, but I would assume if he was well know in the industry he would have much more google hits than this. --Mitaphane _talk 05:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete:NN--Anthony Krupp 07:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete will change vote if notability is asserted into article.--Jersey Devil 08:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Jersey Devil. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 08:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - the information that is available from reliable sources worthy of an encyclopedia will leave this article a perpetual stub. He probably deserves a mention in the articles on the individual shows. Captainktainer * Talk 08:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• DeleteNN-Shazbot85^Talk 09:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I hated Raymundo. I was so, so, SO glad when he was kicked off the show. He doesn't DESERVE an article, that loser! ...I mean, uh, shoot... delete as being non-notable. Yeah, that's what I meant to say... -- Kicking222 12:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

  But seriously, he was a crappy designer. -- Kicking222 12:17, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep. The TV gig might be frivolous, but it had a bit of a viewership. LotLE×talk 20:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

oh YEAH, and you're not biased, LotLE —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kmaguir1 (talk • contribs) .

• Delete. Nothing notable about reality show contestants, unless they have other notable achievements. Whether his designs are "good" is probably too subjective here, but it is not the issue here.Ohconfucius 02:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: I have no idea what motivated the nominations, but this article fails to demonstrate anything significant about its subject. There is nothing here that cannot be folded into a discussion of the show (a table of contestants, fates, and further actions would just be three columns and could very easily encompass everything here). There is no evidence that the figure has done anything except appear. Geogre 13:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: Reality shows done well are comedy / dramas. They are crafted to make us interested in the contestants for 15 or 16 weeks. They are in effect mini-soap operas. As such, winning is beside the point to the "notability" of those involved. Read the blogs on the show as people passionately defend the "good guys" or berate the "bad guys". Indeed, given that the producers do not need to worry about keeping fans interested in the same characters for year after year (as is the case in traditional television fare), they are freer to pump up the story lines and the resulting emotions. Jdclevenger 16:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• The claim seems to be that unless you have notability outside of a Reality TV series, you are not entitiled to space in Wikipedia (space being such an increadably precious commodity within Wikipedia. Oh wait it isn't, is it?). By this logic, all Wikipedia pages devoted to fictional characters should be marked for deletion. After all, a fictional character's notability is almost by defintion a construct of the fiction in which he or she occurs. For example, Col. Jack O'Neill has a very nice article despite the fact that he is a character on Stargate / SG-1. Presumably, his notabilty is solely a function of the movie and the TV show and all the web references about him will be in the same contexts. Jack O'Neill will never write a book or run for president or do anything else notable, other than be a character of fiction. The contestants on a Reality TV show occupy an interesting niche. There notablity may be nothing more than that given by the show on which they appear. But if being a character on SG-1 is sufficent for notablity for Jack O'Neill, then it strikes me that it is sufficent for Kayne Gillaspie, Keith Michael, Bradley Baumkirchner, and all the rest. Jdclevenger 17:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• A follow-up to my note above. One might argue that as main character on a series that has run for 10 years, Jack O'Neill has acheived some kind of notableness outside the context of the show. If so, one would still be hard pressed to justify the pages of Mr. and Mrs. Stoppable or Josh Mankey. These may not ring any bells for those not plugged into day-time Disney fare. The former are the parents of Kim Possible's sidekike Ron Stoppable and the later is Kim's love interest in several episodes. Again, my take is that the characters on Project Runway et.al. are in fact characters in a drama. The standards of notablity for inclusion in Wikipedia should be based on the standards for Television characters. Jdclevenger 18:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Take a read at this WP:POKEMON. We have have to argue for deletion of article on a per article basis. While Raymundo has been a character on a show (I would argue reality TV is hardly "reality"), he's a person in real life (which is what wikipedia is documenting). Thus our gauge for this article is WP:BIO, not WP:FICT. As is, the article makes no assertion of notability. Attempts to find notability(see above) have resulted in my conclusion that he isn't notable in his field of style or fashion. Mitaphane _talk 20:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Neutral Need to be convenced that this needs to be deleted or kept. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 19:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete.NN by oodles--another pointless article...-Kmaguir1 09:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• KeepI noticed his presence on these shows. Why should this not be on Wikipedia? Its verifiable human knowledge. I also want to point out that the individual who nominated this article for deletion is seeking "revenge" on me for our previous interaction at Judith Butler (for which he was banned for 10 days).--Agnaramasi 17:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

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