Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramsoomair

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was consensus to delete. Johnleemk | Talk 11:00, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ramsoomair

Asserted enough notability to survive CSD, I think, but is nothing full of biased flattery. Delete. --Nlu 07:47, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. What's his publication record? I daresay the school he works for isn't all too notable itself in the B-School community. I could be wrong, would anyone like to prove me so? JHMM13 07:51, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. I don't know about the "Business School" community (which is what I assume you meant), but Wilfrid Laurier University is generally fairly well-known as a Canadian university. --PeruvianLlama^(spit) 08:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - Step 1: google check gives us 181 hits. Step 2: Is he real? yes. Step 3: Is he who the article claims he is? yes. Step 4: Are there any claims of notoriety worthy of mention? From the article: "Franklin has been recognized with three teaching awards selected by students - the SBE Outstanding Teacher Award in 1997 and 2005, and WLUSU Award for Teaching Excellence in 2002 - and the Royal Bank Teaching Award in 1994." 3 awards. Are these awards notable awards? yes Step 5: Does this meet the criteria for deletion? In this case it is not clear cut, and this debate should be a discussion as to whether his established claims of notoriety are sufficiently notable to warrant encyclopaedic value. This will be up to an individual to decide. In my opinion, being 4 times awarded as the most outstanding teacher, in a period of 12 years, is a notable achievement. I have some knowledge of just how difficult it is to get such awards. Ergo, I encourage voters to vote for a keep. This is my detailed researched reasoning behind my decision. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 09:51, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Step 1. Google gives 181 hits. Step 2. Notability relying on three tin stars selected by students seems weak to me. The article is also ghastly hagiography, and if you cut the comparisons to Socrates et al, there wouldn't be much left. --Squiddy 10:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I did spend a while checking this one, to save everyone else time. sighs. I thought it'd help to get more votes for the debate. Took me about 30-40 minutes to do all that checking. I am tired now. :( Just trying to make things as fair as possible. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 11:26, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I wasn't getting at you, and I did follow your links (that's where I found the line in bold in my vote). Apologies if I caused offense, I appreciate that you've taken the time to provide info. I still don't think the guy meets the BIO criteria, though . --Squiddy 12:46, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
• How exactly would awards voted for by students make him less notable? IMO students are the only ones qualified enough to judge their teachers. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:21, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The 'SBE Outstanding Teacher Award'[1] and 'WLUSU Award for Teaching Excellence'[2] appear to be internal to the college. Fair enough, students are best placed to judge (I agree), but they aren't national awards or anything. If he had been awarded some kind of first place in competition with all the college and university teachers in Canada, that might count as notable. All this means is that his students like him. --Squiddy 21:05, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. I agree with Squiddy's concerns about the evidence Zordrac has done, but thank you for giving us as much information as possible to make an informed decision. As an aside, if this is kept (or recreated), it should be placed at the person's proper full name. ESkog | ^Talk 21:08, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete- Thanks, Zordrac, for providing all that info. Unfortunately, the info just seems to prove my original suspicions that this dude is just not notable. Reyk 00:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Weak delete; he seems almost notable... If it's kept, it needs massive cleanup. *Dan T.* 06:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.