Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramallah (band)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. utcursch | talk 11:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ramallah (band)
Plainly fails WP:MUSIC; no reliable sources cited; chief editor keeps removing notability and references tag, so I assume it's not going to get any better than this. TedFrank 15:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete They can be as political as they like, and I will sympathise with anyone with personasl problems, but they still have to satisfy WP:MUSIC. And they don't.--Anthony.bradbury 15:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- KeepPlease read TedFrank's user talk page history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TedFrank&diff=prev&oldid=117720240 for recent drama between him and me (I authored the recent version of the article). This appears to be a spillover from that page, though I thought that the dispute was over. TedFrank has repeatedly added the "notoriety" and "citation" tag to the page, and I attempted to fix the problem (to his liking) to no avail. If there are problems which need to be addressed, please explain more clearly how I can do so (i.e. notoriety) instead of simply trying to get the article deleted. I have found the band's CDs for sale at various stores near my residence, so the band seems notable, though I don't know what I can cite or write on the page to accredit the band as notable. TedFrank has also attempted to remove an addition to the "Racism" article I made and described it as "vandalism." Racism Dean Sayers 15:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment. No irrelevant personal attacks, please. I explained multiple times that WP:MUSIC criteria needed to be met. After I saw this vandalizing edit and this response to the warning, I deleted an edit Dean made anonymously to the racism article because it violated WP:NOR, and self-reverted when I saw the whole article had that problem. I can be the worst human being in the world, it doesn't mean your pet article meets WP:MUSIC. -- TedFrank 15:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- This is clearly a personal attack, and that was all I was attempting to point out. in other words, the article is only being targetted because you dislike me, not because you actually have a concern for quality. I have been working on making the article better, and you have not been any help - rather, you have simply attempted to delete it within an hour or 2 of adding the tag that called for a notability reference.Dean Sayers 15:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- also, this isn't my "pet article." It was created by others, and I found it and decided that, because I enjoy the band, I would make it better. for that it faces deletion, even as I am attemptign to fix the problems by asking for suggestions on the discussion page Dean Sayers 15:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- The article is being targeted because it fails to meet Wikipedia criteria, and I brought the AfD because you repeatedly removed a legitimate notability tag. If you wish to attack my response to your vandalism on other articles, take it to WP:DR, because this is not the place for it. If you don't want the article to be deleted, you need to talk about the article and why it complies with Wikipedia policies, not about me. -- TedFrank 15:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- It's fairly clear that you have directly sought out the page in order to continue the drama. You can argue all you want against that point, but I frankly don't care, and anybody with sense will easily see that you are, basically, trolling. I can do drugs instead of dick around with some worthless scumbag who loves Israeli Apartheid. Adios. Dean Sayers 16:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- With comments like that one and this one, I can't imagine why you're surprised that an editor thought your edits needed scrutiny. You best hope an admin doesn't see you calling someone a "worthless scumbag" if you want to stick around to fix the article. -- TedFrank 16:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- You really don't believe me. Whatever I am, I'm not a liar. bye.Dean Sayers 16:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- With comments like that one and this one, I can't imagine why you're surprised that an editor thought your edits needed scrutiny. You best hope an admin doesn't see you calling someone a "worthless scumbag" if you want to stick around to fix the article. -- TedFrank 16:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- It's fairly clear that you have directly sought out the page in order to continue the drama. You can argue all you want against that point, but I frankly don't care, and anybody with sense will easily see that you are, basically, trolling. I can do drugs instead of dick around with some worthless scumbag who loves Israeli Apartheid. Adios. Dean Sayers 16:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- The article is being targeted because it fails to meet Wikipedia criteria, and I brought the AfD because you repeatedly removed a legitimate notability tag. If you wish to attack my response to your vandalism on other articles, take it to WP:DR, because this is not the place for it. If you don't want the article to be deleted, you need to talk about the article and why it complies with Wikipedia policies, not about me. -- TedFrank 15:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment. No irrelevant personal attacks, please. I explained multiple times that WP:MUSIC criteria needed to be met. After I saw this vandalizing edit and this response to the warning, I deleted an edit Dean made anonymously to the racism article because it violated WP:NOR, and self-reverted when I saw the whole article had that problem. I can be the worst human being in the world, it doesn't mean your pet article meets WP:MUSIC. -- TedFrank 15:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country
- Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). (Thorp Records)
- Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.(Blood For Blood)
- Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.(Boston Hardcore scene)
- While not all of these are clearly cited in the article yet, I can add information to support them.Dean Sayers 15:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment Certainly these are parameters specified in WP:MUSIC. They need to be added to the article; we cannot deduce their existence otherwise. If appropriate qualifying standards exist in the article, then clearly the article attracts support. But they have to be present in the text in order to be considered.--Anthony.bradbury 16:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment I wont disagree with you, Anthony, but the fact of the matter is that I have only been working on the article for less than a day or two, unfortunately my attempt to revise it simply attracted TedFrank's attention. If given time I can modify the article (the US tour is cited in the article already, for one thing).Dean Sayers 16:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment OK. I do not feel that I am in conflict with you. You have at least five days to get the qualifying statements into the article, whereupon it should survive.--Anthony.bradbury 16:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment May as well delete it then. Since my mom just died yesterday, I've been fairly fucked in the head, and I doubt I'll even want to deal with the pressure and antagonism here. I tried making amends with TedFrank, and the fact that he has been cynical to the point of attempting to get rid of the one page I cared for (as seen on my userpage) actually really got to me. Maybe I'm being a wuss, but...whatever. Bye. Dean Sayers 16:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment OK. I do not feel that I am in conflict with you. You have at least five days to get the qualifying statements into the article, whereupon it should survive.--Anthony.bradbury 16:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Both Thorp Records and Thorpe Records are red-linked. The Blood for Blood article also fails WP:MUSIC; I've tagged it. Ramallah has next to no mention in the Boston hardcore article, except in a bulleted list of about 80 bands. The Ramallah article says they cancelled their international tour (and I question whether such a tour would satisfy WP:N). Every one of Sayers' claims flunks scrutiny. The article has been tagged since February, and Sayers was the one who removed the tag indicating that he didn't wish the article to undergo any further scrutiny. -- TedFrank 16:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment Actually, I felt that I had solved the problem, so on multiple occassions I changed the article and removed the tags. The discussion page clearly shows that I am looking for suggestions and how to better the article.Dean Sayers 16:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete the claims of notability above do not seem to pan out, and so the entry fails WP:MUSIC. TewfikTalk 05:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. I found a few references in this book, but couldn't come up with any others, and that isn't enough to establish notability by itself. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 17:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
