Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ralph Ellis

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as non-notable author per WP:BIO. No prejudice against recreation if reliable sources of "multiple independent reviews of or awards for his work" can be provided—currently this requirement is not satisfied. Highest Amazon sales rank of any book is 157,888. Note that WP:AUTO should not be used as a reason to delete biographies—the arguments need to be based on actual notability, not on who created the article. WP:AUTO is a guideline discouraging the creation of an autobiography and editing of your own biography, but does not prohibit nor provide a rationale for deleting autobiographies. Also note that although Ohconfucius (who is not the nominator) has stated the nomination is withdrawn, this is only a reason for speedy keep if the nominator withdraws the nomination and no other arguments to delete have been made. —Doug Bell ^talk 21:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ralph Ellis

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Biography by user:Ralphellis who has done few other edits. Does this look like spam to you? -- RHaworth 09:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• Maintain - Ralph Ellis is mentioned in Wiki in a few locations, examples being the Tempest Stele and Exodus Decoded. Externally, there appear to be many more links for his books than the author himself. Try the Jesus book or the Solomon book. --- In addition, the Chinese editions of his books promote a great deal of comment in the Republic, but this is not readily apparent with a Google search. (If you are not familiar with Madarin, look for the 'K2' logo, it being the only Latin title on any of the series.)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ralphellis (talk • contribs)
• Delete - autobiography. MER-C 09:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Fails WP:AUTO since I can't find anything else on this person on Google. Jayden54 10:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Self-published books, no actual Wikiquotes on him. Vanity. CSD? --MECU≈talk 16:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per autobiography. Also, the use of the word "vanity" in AFD discussions is discouraged. Please instead use "conflict of interest" per WP:COI.NeoJustin 21:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete vanity :P Danny Lilithborne 23:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:COI. Most his books languish below at least a hundred thousand others per Amazon.com figures. No sign of any reviews. When I looked in worldcat, I found a number of authors whose two first names were Ralph Ellis. Books by this one are kept in a very small number of libraries in the world. Searching for book titles does generally produce a large number of hits for in-print books by the majors (usually online bookstores), so it's no surprise. The overwhelming part of the 438 Ghits in Chinese for 拉尔夫 • 伊利斯 are for booksellers, and blogs. The issue of conflict of interest can be overcome by a well-sourced encyclopaedic article, which is not the case in the present form - it too much resembles a soapbox for the subjects' theses/theories. If User:Ralphellis or anyone else can provide reliable sources to back up the information and assertions, please do - it's the only way to change opinions around here. Ohconfucius 06:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

• Maintain There appears to be no difference between this entry and he entries for Robert Bauval, Christopher Knight or Laurence Gardner, who are all authors of similar works. Perhaps those, and others besides, should also be deleted. In addition, the number of sales for any author should not be a factor, as that would exclude any verbose scientific work. We also have a catch-22 working here, where bookshops no longer take works from small publishers and their 'top-10' lists are decided upon the level of publisher sponsorship, not the number of sales. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ralphellis (talk • contribs)

• Comment There are two issues: the lack of proper sources which would indicate the subject passes WP:BIO, secondly, the article is mainly about the theories of the subject and not the subject himself. Ohconfucius 01:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• Review Here is a review from Ancient Egypt Magazine in their review section. There are other reviews here and there in various magazines, but it will be a job finding them all. As to the content of the Wiki article, it can be changed, but having looked at all the other author entries on Wiki, they are predominantly about the author's works and ideas (that being, of course, the very reason for the author's renown in the first place). I can place more personal material in the item, but to me that makes the article sound very pretentious and egotistical. Ralph Ellis.

• Speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. Ohconfucius 06:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.