Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raise the Death

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The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Pax:Vobiscum 15:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Raise the Death

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Non-notable un-sourced self-produced pseudo-album. Contested prod. ➪HiDrNick! 20:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

• Conditional keep if someone can translate some ghits from Spanish on the band Athanator. No, you're not seeing things, either. The band has an article. If those are third party reviews that suggest notability, keep both. If not, delete both.--Ispy1981 20:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
• delete i put this up for speedy originally, funny enough. so random. i ususally just weigh in on discussions here. the point of wp:music isn't to allow every notable band to have a page about every album they burned on a cd burner in their friend's basement. The album itself has to be notable and verifiable and this is certainly neither. fails wp:music. no independent sources about this album, if nothing else. Barsportsunlimited 00:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep. There're tons of GHits for the band, suggesting that they themselves are notable. I'm quite fluent in Spanish, so I can tell that many of the Spanish-language GHits for the band are non-trivial, third party mentions. Therefore, if the band is notable, so are their albums, per WP:MUSIC. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 00:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment. WP:MUSIC notwithstanding, WP:N is very clear that "a topic is notable if it has received significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic." Athanator clearly qualifies, but the self-published CD is about as notable as that novel I've been working on for all these years. This "album" has no verifiable sources and indeed was probably burned a few times on someone's PC. Of course, we'll very know that for sure, seeing as how there are no reliable sources. The whole idea of inherited notability is nonsense, anyway. R. L. Stine is a notable author of childrens' books, but not all of his books are notable. Jeopardy! is a notable television program, but not all of its seasons or episodes are notable.

• Keep. The band seems reasonably notable, and the article is more than just a track listing. As noted above, WP:MUSIC is transitive in this one regard: if a band is notable, then its albums are (usually) notable. —C.Fred (talk) 01:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete or redirect to the band. There's no sources here, which fails WP:V. Just because the band is (ostensibly) notable, doesn't mean unsourced articles about individual albums with no secondary coverage. — Scientizzle 03:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.