Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raghu Ram

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. This is a procedural closing; the nominator withdrew. Darkspots (talk) 02:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Raghu Ram

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Requesting Deletion

I am not convinced that Raghu Ram meets any of the following criteria for creative professionals.

  • The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
Whether he is an "important" figure is obviously subjective, but I do believe the answer is to that is "no". He is certainly not widely cited.
  • The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
Roadies is not a concept or technique. It is just a TV show.
  • The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
While Roadies is a well known work, it has not been the subject of multiple independent reviews.
  • The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.
Not true.

Perhaps the statements I made might become false if Roadies continues for another 10 or so years, but at the moment, I do not believe that Raghu can have a wikipedia entry just because he is executive producer of a fairly successful TV show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pramod.s (talk • contribs) 2008/05/25 09:25:38

Strong keep: Let me answer the objections one by one:

  • He certainly is a notable figure and is executive producer of many shows on mtv including, MTV Roadies, MTV Teen Diva, MTV iSuperstar and many more.
  • The person in question is the producer, creator and a judge in selection of contestants in the reality show.
  • Well MTV Roadies is India's longest running Reality show and Raghu Ram is integral to the show from selecting contestants to producing the show.
  • the answer to the last point is same as above. Raghu is the executive producer of Many shows on MTV and i guess that shd be reason enough to keep this article for a while.

The necessary tags have been placed on the page and i believe we shd give it enough time to evolve into a proper article. Gprince007 (talk) 11:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


Reply to Gprince007

I reiterate. I am not convinced about him having an article just because he is an executive producer. Being executive produce by itself does not establish notability. How many other executive producers do we have on wikipedia? I don't see any articles about the producers of, say, Baa Bahoo Aur Baby. Are you suggesting that in the long run we're going to have articles about the producers/directors for each of these serials? What about about other producers who work at MTV? Surely Raghu is not the only one. I find it hard to believe that we want articles about everybody who produced a TV show at some point on Indian TV.

My point is, Raghu's claim to notability is not his job as executive producer, but that he appears on the show frequently. I think we should have a higher bar than just folks who come on TV often. I also believe that the criteria for notability with their emphasis on citations from peers and successors as well as independent reviewers are an attempt to establish this higher bar.

Pramod.s(talk) Pramod 19:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply to Pramod.s

You asked "How many other executive producers do we have on wikipedia?".....the answer is Fred Barron, Larry David, George Shapiro, Jerry Seinfeld, Tina Fey, Joann Alfano and many many more....all the above mentioned ppl are executive producers of famous TV serials. MTV Roadies completed it 5 seasons is probably up for its 6th season....Therefore Raghu being an executive producer of famous indian reality show deserves an article of its own. Baa Bahoo Aur Baby may not be a TRP hit or its Executive producer may not be well known...but Raghu is well known and also the producer of many other programs on MTV. As for other producers on MTV, they might not be as famous as Raghu....if they are then u can create an article for them too....I just wanna say that many executive producers have their own articles and Raghu also deserves the same....The necessary tags have been placed on the page and i believe we shd give it enough time to evolve into a proper article. Thnx...Gprince007 (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply to Gprince
Well, I think folks like Seinfeld are much more well known than Raghu, so the comparison is not really fair. I do want to make the point that although Raghu is quite well known amongst the so-called "younger generation" , he may not be that notable to the population outside of that demographic.
Then again, this is all subjective. I don't have any particularly strong feelings on this subject, so if you believe the article should be kept, I am inclined to withdraw the deletion request.
How do we proceed from here? Do you want to wait and get a few more opinions? If you think not, then I am fine with removing the deletion tag.

Pramod.s(talk) Pramod 14:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Keep-He's just not an executive producer, but an important character in the show as well. Plus he is relatively well known.--Shahab (talk) 06:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Withdrawing Request for Deletion Since nobody else has turned up supporting the deletion cause, and Gprince007 and Shahab are both saying we should keep the article, I'm going to go and remove the deletion tag from the page. Pramod.s(talk) Pramod 19:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.