Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Radwan Dąbrowski-Żądło Family

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. W.marsh 22:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Radwan Dąbrowski-Żądło Family

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Per concenrns experessed on talk, this seems like a non-notable family. Most of the article consists of copies of info about Polish history and nobility - referenced, but not related to the family. Next, four members of the family are described, only the first one has any notability claims. The family might have had one notable member and the name been mentioned in a historical chronicle or two, but that doesn't make them notable.  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  04:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep The "argument" directly above is an argument to avoid, listed in the Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Konieczny's argument is self-contradicting -- "the name been mentioned in a historical chronicle or two" obviously makes the family notable. Someone going to the Radwan coat of arms in almost all historical chronicles (Polish armorials) will see this family listed, and the Wikipedia entry for Radwan arms has a link to this family, which is useful for discovering more information about them. Hopefully, more families listed under the Radwan arms will do the same, as this will give insight into the fates of families listed. Polish genealogists with their own family names listed in Polish armorials will probably find this information insightful, and the footnotes section will give them starting points. 71.106.22.218 16:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • keep i see the point of the nominator, but it's referenced and i have to end up agreeing with...IP address 71.106.22.218. didn't want to sign it i guess....Barsportsunlimited 19:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

This is not another vote, but meant to amplify a point. Konieczny seems to be getting the word "lackluster" confused with the word "notable". Not everything notable is required to be heroic. Jarosław Radwan Żądło Dąbrowski was demonstrably heroic -- a reference to his family (Radwan Dąbrowski-Żądło Family) in the context of a wider Radwan gens/clan is useful in understanding his social milieu and origins. 71.106.22.218 21:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep as per precedence to WP:MUSIC which says "The band is notable if one of its members is notable". What is good for the band should be good for the clan, especially the one with established heritage going back to 1021, almost one thousand years. Those are pretty rare these days. greg park avenue 12:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep A lot of work has gone into the article and I strongly believe that is notable. It would be wrong to delete because I find quite valuable. I have seen far useless articles which have stuck around. MAJPOLE 5:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.