Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RPGe
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect. Article is completely original research, so nothing is to be gained by merging. The "Other crap exists" arguments aren't enough to keep this article I'm afraid. A plain redirect to Fan translation seems to be the best way forward. Majorly (talk) 16:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] RPGe
DeJap Tranlations is more notable then RPGe (they translated four high profile games - Dragon Quest 3, Tales of Phantasia, Star Ocean, and Bahamut Lagoon [1], whereas RPGe has only ever done one - Final Fantasy V) and RPGe was redirected. Misterdiscreet 06:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete All your article are belong to us. The lone reference, like the group itself, is singularly unimpressive and not worthy of mention here. Shalom Hello 14:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- If I am correct that you want the All your base are belong to us article deleted you will need to create a seperate AFD since this is for RPGe and not that. If I misunderstood I appolige for any confusion. --67.71.77.220 23:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep How could a non-notable subject get an article created about it ten years after the fact? FWIW, I also disagree with the outcome of the DeJap AfD. 209.209.214.5 16:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, you'd be surprised at what articles some people create. --WikiSlasher 04:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Reference does not assert its notability. Just because an individual chose to write about a non-notable subject ten years later does not make it notable. A guy was hit by a drunk driver on my street ten years ago, and we all still remember him, but that does make him notable, same goes for ROM translators. Tdmg 23:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- the guy who was hit by a drunk driver on your street probably wouldn't have Final Fantasy V linking to him, Fan translation, or Console emulator. these aren't bogus linkages, either - they're quite justified. unless, of course, you care to explain to me how they're not 209.209.214.5 01:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
- If I wrote an article on myself I could link to many Wikipedia article (including a few FA's), but that does not make me notable. tdmg 04:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- if you did that, your edits would be reverted very quickly as they are not on topic - as they would be unjustified links. as i said - and as you have ignored - the RPGe links are justified. take a look at how long they've been there. the Final Fantasy V link was there more then two years ago. look at the history. no one's deleted it. no one's disputed it's relevance. click on any arbitrary edit made after the one i just linked to. you'll see RPGe mentioned. do you seriously think any link you made to an article you created about yourself would stay around that long? conversely, do you seriously think that if you removed all material discussing RPGe that it wouldn't be readded and that your edit wouldn't constitute vandalism? go ahead and try it. see how long the material you removed stays removed. 209.209.214.5 05:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- If I wrote an article on myself I could link to many Wikipedia article (including a few FA's), but that does not make me notable. tdmg 04:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- the guy who was hit by a drunk driver on your street probably wouldn't have Final Fantasy V linking to him, Fan translation, or Console emulator. these aren't bogus linkages, either - they're quite justified. unless, of course, you care to explain to me how they're not 209.209.214.5 01:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
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- i see on your talk page that "faulty logic irks you so bad". you must really be pissed off at yourself, now, because you've been committing red herrings. you can't counter my points so you introduce a half-baked analogy under the guise of being relevant and instead counter it. 209.209.214.5 06:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- I do not disrespect your opinion, I just disagree. You simply said "the guy who was hit by a drunk driver on your street probably wouldn't have Final Fantasy V linked to him." I don't know if the guy played Final Fantasy V, so you are probably right. I was merely pointing out that he could probably have notable articles linked to on his page. That was my only point. I called it "faulty logic" because you tried to rebuff my statement, with what I saw as a ridiculous claim (that he would have no notable articles linked to him). Now, you did point out that my analogy was bad, and I agree that it isn't a great analogy, because people aren't companies and their criteria for notability are different. However, I still don't believe that any of the references establish RPGe as a notable. This is my opinion. As for the points that I "can't counter". I believe I gave a counter to you 10-year argument above (that just because some individual or small group remembers it does not make it notable). I will retract the analogy (it was 4:30AM and I made a bad choice of subjects, no red herring was intended), but I think that my point holds true (I will not attempt a more accurate analogy because it is late again). Now I guess "faulty logic irks me so bad" has a more apt meaning pertaining to me :D tdmg 06:29, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- It appears to me there is a misunderstanding going on here. tdmg is talking about RPGe linking to various high-profile pages, while 209.209.214.5 is talking about RPGe being linked from various high-profile pages. Anomie 13:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- Even if their translations are linked from the game articles, I do not think that is appropriate. If someone else linked to them other than the author, then the RPGe might be notable. However, there is no documentation of their notability other than their body of work (which I do not think is notable enough in itself to support their notability). Thank you for clearing that up Anomie :) tdmg 17:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- the original author did not link Final Fantasy V to RPGe. here are his edits:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/219.237.248.2
- also, i think einstein's notability is due, almost exclusively, to his body of work. in fact most peoples notability is probably going to be derived from their work. one exception i can think of is prince henry of wales. the most notable thing he's doneis be born. 209.209.214.5 20:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- I never said that notability can't be derived from the person's body of work. I just don't think that RPGe's body of work is substantial enough to make them notable. That's just my opinion though, and I don't think it unreasonable to think otherwise. tdmg 07:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- Even if their translations are linked from the game articles, I do not think that is appropriate. If someone else linked to them other than the author, then the RPGe might be notable. However, there is no documentation of their notability other than their body of work (which I do not think is notable enough in itself to support their notability). Thank you for clearing that up Anomie :) tdmg 17:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- It appears to me there is a misunderstanding going on here. tdmg is talking about RPGe linking to various high-profile pages, while 209.209.214.5 is talking about RPGe being linked from various high-profile pages. Anomie 13:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- I do not disrespect your opinion, I just disagree. You simply said "the guy who was hit by a drunk driver on your street probably wouldn't have Final Fantasy V linked to him." I don't know if the guy played Final Fantasy V, so you are probably right. I was merely pointing out that he could probably have notable articles linked to on his page. That was my only point. I called it "faulty logic" because you tried to rebuff my statement, with what I saw as a ridiculous claim (that he would have no notable articles linked to him). Now, you did point out that my analogy was bad, and I agree that it isn't a great analogy, because people aren't companies and their criteria for notability are different. However, I still don't believe that any of the references establish RPGe as a notable. This is my opinion. As for the points that I "can't counter". I believe I gave a counter to you 10-year argument above (that just because some individual or small group remembers it does not make it notable). I will retract the analogy (it was 4:30AM and I made a bad choice of subjects, no red herring was intended), but I think that my point holds true (I will not attempt a more accurate analogy because it is late again). Now I guess "faulty logic irks me so bad" has a more apt meaning pertaining to me :D tdmg 06:29, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- i see on your talk page that "faulty logic irks you so bad". you must really be pissed off at yourself, now, because you've been committing red herrings. you can't counter my points so you introduce a half-baked analogy under the guise of being relevant and instead counter it. 209.209.214.5 06:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 07:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
- Merge then redirect into fan translation. This may require someone to restructure fan translation to include an appropriate section for the merge. Do not try "redirect then merge", that's likely to end up the same as just "redirect". Anomie 13:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- Comment RPGe is mainly notable for the translation of Final Fantasy V, which was the first RPG to be fan-translated and reportedly inspired a number of later translations.[2] I can find no evidence that there is enough information available to satisfy WP:N for an entire article on RPGe, however that guideline clearly states "If possible, merge the article into a broader article providing context". It's possible, and therefore this AfD should not be closed as delete. I think some who frequent these AfD discussions are too quick to vote "delete!" rather than consider how relevant material may be kept from an article that does not rise to the high standard of notability. Anomie 19:46, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- Merge into fan translation. RPGe does have some notability, but not enough to warrant a separate article; a mention in Fan translation (and Final Fantasy V) would be appropriate. Kariteh 21:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- Merge as per above ¿SFGiДnts! ¿Complain! ¿Analyze! ¿Review! 03:17, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- Merge as per above. -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) (Talk) 00:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep if indeed they did work on those games, they are notable and therefore deserve an article. It doens't matter if someone else is "more notable", that's like deleting Shannon Noll in favour of Bill Gates Giggy UCP 04:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- They didn't work on the games. They made fan translations. Granted, RPGe MIGHT be noteworthy because they were they first to complete an RPG, but probably not beyond the scope of the base article. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 11:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- Question - how could this be artfully merged into Fan translation? The Evil Spartan 15:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
