Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RD Reynolds (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus--JForget 01:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RD Reynolds

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Delete. This is a complete vanity page for a non-notable person outside a few wrestling fans. --EndlessDan 13:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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• Don't Delete RD is a 3 times published author and is a journalist in many magazines around the world Square-PR4 23:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Square-PR4 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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• Delete Along with WrestleCrap Not a hint of notability. MarkBul 18:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Within its field, the Wrestlecrap site and books are well regarded and notable. 'The Death of WCW' in particular is an often cited work when discussing professional wrestling histoty. Elcondor 19:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep As mentioned, RD has published several books now, has a monthly column in a UK sports magazine, has had several names from wrestling on RD's radio show including Lance Storm and Vince Russo. As for a few wrestling fans, his forums have close to 5,000 subscribers with plenty more visitors to his site. He's carved out a nice niche to the point that WrestleCrap is used by many other sites and fans as a term for anything bad, including several signs at WWE events. Several professional wrestlers, as well, from major companies have talked of enjoying his site as well. Jimmy Wang Yu: Version 2 19:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep RD is currently set to release his 3rd book about professional wrestling and is a well known journalist. The website he runs is visited by not only fans but wrestlers as well. Crash Holly even gave it high praise before his death. The Wrestlecrap Radio show that he hosts has only been around for 2 years and has already brought in guests such as: Vince Russo, Lance Storm, John Tenta, Fabien Kaelin of WSX, and Hollywood of GLOW; with several more guests coming soon. DX927 19:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Only notable to a small portion of professional wrestling fans. Look up Scott Keith's afd, he has written just as many wrestling books, and has been deleted. Being an author doesn't make someone automatically notable. His books may have sold well in the wrestling community, but that is a very small niche which isn't a big blip on the general side of things. None of his books are currently even in the top 100,000 of the amazon sale ranks. Also, his fans appear to have noticed this afd on his message board, see link: [1] Any info on him can be merged to the barely notable Wrestlecrap page. Dannycali 19:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, because there are millions of professional wrestling fans, the author has published, and this article passed an AfD but months ago. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

• Comment As usual with your twisting, nonsensical arguments, the fact that a lot of people like pro wrestling is not a reason to keep this article, or every article about wrestling. And the fact that there was an afd about this awhile back (that was barely participated in) is no bearing on this discussion. Should also point out that Scott Keith, a wrestling journalist who is probably more notable than RD, and has had books published, had his article deleted. RD's wrestling career is mainly in the lower independent scene around Indiana, and this AFD has been bombarded by his small cult following anyway. Dannycali 17:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Again, please re-read Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. You have been cautioned about that before: [2]. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I am being civil, and I am not giving personal attacks. I consider that condescending warning you are trying to give me a matter of incivility and a personal attack. This person isn't notable enough for an article, he wrote a few low-selling books, had a short career in lower independent leagues of wrestling, and there are no reliable sources about him, and if anything, should be Merged/Redirected to the main Wrestlecrap article. This is only being kept because a few of his fans want it. Dannycali 15:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

You have been uncivil and personally attacked me and others a few times now this month: [3], [4], and [5]. Please stop. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 15:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

You say he's not notable, but then when someone from his forum, which has several thousand visitors, told people to post here to show how notable he actually is, you basically told on him and caused that addition to be put at the top to show that this "isn't a majority rule." So now people who would have posted here to state that he is notable aren't bothering. There is also a recent video of the "non-notable" book he wrote being discussed by Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and Sean Waltman at a show somewhere. DX927 16:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep As an author and a webmaster RD is well known throughout the wrestling community. Due to his critical opinions on some of the 'poorer' elements of pro-wrestling (i.e. Wrestlecrap!) there are some people that would gladly want his Wiki entry deleted, along with the 'crap entries they do not agree with. Jpe63 19:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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• Strong keep 3 Time published author, monthly column in a popular mainstream magazine. Notable enough for a page. GShton 05:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
• Most of the arguements seem to come from people who find him or his website funny. But I encourage everyone to actually read wp:bio. He and the wrestlecrap are not noteable in the least. --Endless Dan 19:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep As said in the Notability guidelines, "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field." It can easily be argued that his Death of WCW book, and to a lesser extent the original Wrestlecrap book do contribute to this particular field (that field being sports entertainment). He has had numerous interviews with active and formerly-active sports-entertainers, not least among them the late John Tenta. Further, also from wp:bio, he "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following". Psychoti

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• • STRONG DELETEI fully admit I only found this page to see if Roi really was stalking Caly. However, now that I have, if roi will excuse me copying his pattern of commenting on every deletion I'm involved in, I support wholeheartedly this deletion, which is patent vanity. I wish more people who voted with me on some deletions would do the same history search, to support blatant nonsense being deleted. When I see pages like this, I have to wonder just how many of these guys like Roi know the subject in questionJJJ999 02:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

• • • So you want to delete this page because of some grudge you're holding with another Wiki user? Right... DX927 19:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
      • Not at all, I've just observed this guy is almost always in favour of non-notable people who he probably knows, so when I see him in favour, I know it's probably bumpkis... then I see the content of this fanboy, and I'm sure of it. Strong delete.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by JJJ999 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep RD Reynolds is a published author and pro wrestling expert. I guarantee you there are historical figures from the last thousand years with entries on Wikipedia that are less well known and notable than RD Reynolds. What does and doesn't get challenged for deletion on Wikipedia is ridiculous. Sometimes the site really feels like it should be called "Wikipedia, the free site anybody can edit that everybody complains on." It should also be noted other people who are considered 'notable' by Wikipedia standards have been guests on RD's radio show, including Lance Storm and Vince Russo. Perhaps you'll propose those for deletion too. In fact let's propose everyone for deletion who hasn't made a million dollars or slept with Britney Spears. Wikipedia, the free site where you have to be in a tabloid to be notable. 68.229.184.37 08:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep As per the reasons above. 3 Times published author. Highly downloaded wrestling radio host.PhatePunk 12:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Radio host, 3 time author, former wrestler, public speaker at Ohio Valley Wrestling. This isn't at all vanity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.42.25.31 (talk) 16:01, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

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