Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Queen Sirikit Navaratna

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to Richard Shaw Brown. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-11 23:38Z

[edit] Queen Sirikit Navaratna

Queen Sirikit Navaratna (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

An article about a necklace. I'm sure it's pretty and all, but the author of the article (also the maker of the necklace), Richard Shaw Brown is basically spamming for his jewelry business here. Herostratus 04:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete, unless there is some indication that this necklace is part of the Thai royal regalia. Edeans 04:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete The author did an admirable job meeting the requirements of WP:V, but completely missed WP:N. janejellyroll 05:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Does not meet notability guidelines. Non-encyclopedic by itself. -- Emana 07:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Richard Shaw Brown. The photo is probably worth having there, and this one-sentence article can be boiled down to a caption. —Celithemis
A merge may not be a choice at all, because that page has been under fire repeatedly. Mentioning anything related to his current commercial endevours is what got the other page tagged for AfD before. -- Emana 00:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
If a notable minor rock star had become a painter and gotten some attention for that, an image of one of his paintings would be relevant, even though he made money from his art. I see no fundamental difference here. The caption should be brief and neutral, of course.
One of the issues in the no-consensus AFD for Richard Shaw Brown was people's inability to find the profile of him in the International Herald Tribune -- unsurprisingly, considering that it had both the wrong title and the wrong date. I did find it in ProQuest Newsstand and corrected the citation. It's all about the gemology, mentioning the band only briefly. There were several other articles mentioning his work as a jeweller/gemologist as well; I have no problem believing there'd be more if I had better access to Thai publications. The section certainly needs cleanup, but it's notable within the context of his life. —Celithemis 01:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


  • Merge to Richard Shaw Brown. Emana said in another talk that my notability STOPPED with the band. Actually this is the opposite of the recorded facts. To the Richard Shaw Brown page we have 15 references given on post band notability, for example:

He is currently working as a gemologist and designer in Bangkok, Thailand[1][2] [3][4][5] [6] [7][8][9][10][11][12][13], etc. Brown has 11 published books. He has appeared on television in Thailand 30 times[14]. Over 200 articles about and also by Brown have been published in various magazines and newspapers in Bangkok, Asia and abroad[15]

[edit] References

  1. ^ Ranard, Andrew. "Gemologist Focuses On the Spiritual", International Herald Tribune, October 31, 1994, pp. 20. 
  2. ^ "The 9 Royal Gems", Bangkok Post Newspaper, December 1, 2006. 
  3. ^ "Thai Dealers Designs are Out of This World", Jewellery News Asia (Hong Kong), September, 1990. 
  4. ^ Asia Magazine (1992). Cosmic Gemstones. Hong Kong. 
  5. ^ FOCUS (1991). Astral Fashion with Gemstone Talismans. The Nation Newspaper (Thailand). 
  6. ^ Sushil Soni (June 1991). The Astral Appeal of gems. Living in Thailand (English) Magazine. 
  7. ^ Bangkok Gems & Jewellery Magazine (1993). A New Addition to the Crown Jewels of Thailand. BGJ Bangkok. 
  8. ^ "Profile: Richard S. Brown - "Gem Expert Charts Path to the Stars"", Bangkok Post (Business News), May 19, 1997. 
  9. ^ "Executive Life Style-The Accidental Gemologist", Singapore Business Times, October 30, 1993. 
  10. ^ National Jeweler Magazine (1990). Gems Jewelry Looks to the Stars. National Jeweler USA. 
  11. ^ Colored Stone Magazine (1996). Gemstone Guru. Colored Stone USA. 
  12. ^ Hong Kong Standard (1988). Exploding Rock Mythology. Hong Kong Standard. 
  13. ^ Jewelrers’ Circular-Keystone (1991). What’s New In Jewelry. JCK USA. 
  14. ^ Thai and English TV appearences. Retrieved on 2007-01-30.
  15. ^ Magazine and Newspaper Articles about and also by Brown. Retrieved on 2007-01-30.

I have a list of many MORE references but it's already overkill. Over 300 articles have been published about Richard Shaw Brown and his work, AFTER the band. So by any standard I am more well known for my work after the band. Best wishes--Rsbj66 14:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Ah, Richard, we appreciate your desire to advertise your work, but Wikipedia is not a business directory... Herostratus 02:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge - I hereby change my vote from "delete" to "merge". *Sigh*. I thought Brown's notability stopped with his career as a rock artist, but that is because at first he presented himself to be the draft dodgin' psychedelic with a story to tell. The main problem was a lot of his sources were self-published and those that were not, as Celithemis mentions above, were poorly cited; therefore difficult to verify. After communicating with Brown and re-researching the sources presented by him, it is now my opinion that Brown is more interested in promoting his current career as a gemologist. When he dies, he'll probably be remembered as an gemologist and friend to Hinduism rather than a musician. ONLY TIME WILL TELL - but for the time being, Brown seems to have a lot of insight into India, Hinduism, and Gemology; and he could be of great asset to the Wikipedia community, if he follows Wikipedia guidelines. A merge can save this entry if the destination article stays neutral and free of promotional speech. -- Emana 19:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • MergeDear Emana, can you merge the picture with Richard Shaw Brown and put a caption as you prefer!? Much appreciated. I'm afraid if I put, it will get called original research. Or any other kind hearted soul. If you prefer me to merge it then just tell me how it's done, and how the caption should read. You're my Wikipedia guru--Rsbj66 23:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.