Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PureH

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep per Wikipedia:Deletion policy by benefit of the doubt. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 04:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PureH

PureH (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

An underground group. No coverage. Eleassar ^{my talk} 10:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network (Radio Slovenia Val202, 25.1.2008, 20-21h, ORF FM4 30.9.2007, 00-01, http://fm4.orf.at/station/220076, TV Slovenija etc.)

Collaborations with notable artists such as KK Null, DJ Surgeon, Eraldo Bernocchi.

Interviews in printed media (Dnevnik, Muska) and national radio and TV stations (TV Slovenija, Radio Slovenija), in 90's.

Sources:

"PUREH - ena od najbolj pomembnih elektronskih skupin z začetka slovenske scene elektronske glasbe." http://www.radiostudent.si

"Ne znam dal je ulazak u europsku uniju imao kakvih utjecaja na ovu slovensku skupinu, no, ovo je album na europskom nivou, ako vec ne na svjetskom." http://www.terapija.net

"Hier ist die Schnittstelle zwischen Hochkultur und Popkultur in diesem Werk vereint." http://www.elektrauma.de

"Pure H delajo glasbo, katera je za slovensko sceno vec kot potrebna. Tudi novi album je pomemben del tega mozaika, saj je izredno kvaliteten in unikaten izdelek." http://www.radiostudent.si

"This album is a must for lovers of unique IDM and for people in search of a new sound. Absolute brilliant!" http://www.cuemix-magazine.com

"Unterhalb der ranzigen Mainstream Fettschicht wächst der Electro Underground und bringt interessante Gewächse wie „Anadonia“ zum Erblühen." http://www.musik.terrorverlag.de

"Menite, da v domovini ni muskontarjev, ki bi stružili zlobni, darkerski drum&bass, breakbeat in ambientalo, da ne premoremo nikogar, ki bi z zvokom in sliko, pa brez jokavega patosa ustvaril razklano vzdušje razklanega, izkoreninjenega sveta? Znova premislite in si omislite plošcek menda tajske crede konjev, ki brcajo kot štirje in drevijo kot Pegaz." http://www.mladina.si

"On Signia we are dealing with a musical expression of truly renewing free minds." http://www.compulsiononline.com

"PureH are a successful electronic rock band out of Slovenia" http://brainwashed.com

"Eden izmed najboljših izdelkov letošnjega leta. Zveni moderno, eklekticno, cvrsto. 10 modernih produkcij, skoordiniranih iz naše majhne državice." http://www.rockonnet.com

"Prvoborci domacega elektro preporoda v devetdesetih, pogojno celo novorockerji." http://www.rtvslo.si

"Et l'inconvénient pressenti, de devenir un véritable avantage, quand apres plusieurs écoutes, on finit face a cette conception de l'électro, qu'on aime retrouver : plurielle et innovante. L'effet "bordélique" évité, et mis de côté quelques longueurs, on peut reconnaître la une réelle réussite." http://www.dmute.net

"So hat PUREH bereits auf der Hannoveraner Weltausstellung 2000 gespielt und ich könnte mir die Klänge gut im Rahmen von Ausstellungen der bildenden Kunst oder bei Videoinstallationen vorstellen." http://backagain.de

"PureH drenches one with an array of sonic abrasions that Nine Inch Nails couldn’t call window dressing." http://www.smother.net

"PureH is a band from Slovenia and active in the underground electro music scene since 1993." Rigodon Netherlands

"Skupina z basistom in odlicnim bobnarjem, ki sta nadgrajevala elektroniko, je nastopila v temi, tako da je glasba delovala kot nekakšen soundtrack." http://www.dnevnik.si

"Nisem še doživel takšnega hard core koncerta!" Revija Muska

J3az6u (talk) 02:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The sources you have quoted have been reviewing underground bands too and you have missed the following:

"As PureH were unable of at least a relative breakthrough into the consciousness of domestic listeners in the years when illbient was at its height, so less will they be able to do it now. This kind of music is unpleasant, untrendy, cold and too "real" to win the hearts of the majority."[1] Or of the quotes you yourself have provided: "Unterhalb der ranzigen Mainstream Fettschicht wächst der Electro Underground und bringt interessante Gewächse wie „Anadonia“ zum Erblühen."[2], "PureH is a band from Slovenia and active in the underground electro music scene since 1993." (Rigodon Netherlands).

As I said: The group is underground and nothing proves otherwise. This article was already deleted once.[3] --Eleassar ^{my talk} 11:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Pure H is NOT a pop (or mainstream or turbofolk or techno or...) group, they are underground, you are right about that. Is that bad? Read about underground culture.

"Only underground bands reviewing" (as you said) sources:

mladina.si: they reviewed N'toko, Magnifico, Sestre, The Stroj, Trkaj, Helena Blagne Zaman, Amateur God, Zablujena generacija, Zaklonišče prepeva, Lara Baruca,etc.

brainwashed.com: they reviewed Sunn O))), Autechre, Zeni Geva, Merzbow, Burial, Skullflower, Jesu, Supersilent etc.

musik.terrorverlag.de: they reviewed Laibach, Moby, Dismember, Rob Zombie etc.

cuemix-magazine.com: they reviewed Carl Craig, Apparat, The Orb, Scorn etc.

and so on...

You can't say that national radio (Radio Slovenija Val202), national television (TVSLO) and national newspaper (Dnevnik) cover only underground music.

Your quote [1]-Rock obrobje- he talks: "to win the hearts of the majority" - and you know what listen the majority in Slovenia...

AFAIK, this article was never deleted.

J3az6u (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I have never said they were reviewing only underground bands or that underground is bad. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 18:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

So, what's wrong with "an underground group"? J3az6u (talk) 00:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Nothing's wrong. It just doesn't meet the notability criteria. You say it has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network. The archives of Val202 (2008-01-25 20-21 per you) don't mention PureH at all. Where can your statement be verified then? The four parts of Signia played on ORF[4] (2007-09-30, 00-01) don't take half an hour or longer as the majority of the broadcast focused on the British Sixtoo. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 08:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

• KeepDuplicative of above; stricken to avoid inference of more varied support than currently exsits. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC) If you check out Discogs you will see that Sixtoo tracks are much shorter... so if you count 4 Pure H tracks it comes 28 minutes, and 31 minutes for 11 Sixtoo tracks. Basically half an hour Pure H, half an hour Sixtoo. The archives of Val 202 are mostly empty: Nova Elektronika, but i found the source where you can download the show: Nova Elektronika 25.1.2008 with more than 30 minutes of Pure H.

I'm saying that this article meets multiple criterion of WP:MUSIC guidelines - its members were also in another band(s), the band released several albums, newspaper and magazine articles, has been the subject of a half hour broadcast across a national radio and TV.

However, there is not much "google" evidence of Pure H activity in the 90s (like TV broadcast of Novi Rock, interviews on national radio and television and in newspapers) and that doesn't mean there's no activity at all. -J3az6u (talk) 18:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, Bad reviews are just as much evidence of notability as good ones. Blast Ulna (talk) 05:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete no evidence of notability per WP:MUSIC. They don't even have an article at the Slovenian wiki. Eusebeus (talk) 18:37, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, what i understand german in reference (4) you can read that "in Slovenia, Pure H is considered a group that started a new musical revolution that according to the critics, goes directly into the artery." The Wire magazine in (2) is a good reference. Also a lot of reviews in 8 languages in independent media - refernce (5). As for the comment above, Slovenian Wiki is very small and they don't have much topics, that's not a criterion. Tirpes (talk) 01:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

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