Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Puerto Plata (musician)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep and Cleanup. utcursch | talk 13:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Puerto Plata (musician)

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The article fails to meet the notability guidelines. It is not written from a neutral point of view (uses words like "legendary", "immensely popular", and "finest musicians" without providing sources like polls to prove how popular he is). It also fails to include a reliable source. The only cited source in the article is an entry on the article in the IASO Records website (I suspect the musician is somehow involved with the company), which does not qualify as a reliable source. I originally requested it be speedily deleted, but this request was denied after the author blanked the page, removing the request. After a while, I used {{prod}}, but the author removed the request, saying that an addition made by an unregistered IP editor was enough to make the article acceptable. If you oppose the article's deletion, please remember to explain why: this is not a vote. If you think you can improve the article, be bold and edit it. Please examine the article carefully before participating in this AfD discussion. Finally, please remember to remain civil and assume good faith. Thank you. Boricuaeddie Spread the love! 22:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

*Delete - The article does not merit deletion on the strength of IASO records as a notable source. The consideration is whether the band satisfies WP:MUSIC 5 & 7, in order to be deemed worth keeping, and whether this is verifiable, in order to be kept. As indie labels go, IASO appears marginal at best, even cosidering the geographical context, and seems to be a remix outfit - it has no other major artists. Other IASO related entries could bear a little scrutiny. - Tiswas(t) 09:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Do Not Delete - As someone who has spent a considerable amount of time and energy researching traditional music from the Dominican Republic I can attest to the importance of this artist. His career is distinguished and spans many decades. This style of music receives very little coverage on the web. Try finding out anything about bachata, or Dominican guitar music before 1990 and one of the only places you'll find any info is the IASO Records website. That's not because this music is not significant - it was very significant and continues to be for millions of Dominicans. It deserves to receive more online coverage and just because it hasn't so far is not a good reason to enforce some kind of censorship on it. FYI, the artist does satisfy criteria for significance: besides his history and upcoming internationally distributed album release, he is scheduled to perform among others at The Chicago World Music Festival and The Madison World Music Festival - two of the most prestigious music festivals in the USA - in September 2007. He will also be a main act at Quisqueya on the Hudson - the largest Dominican music festival in New York City. If you have specific recommendations for how the article can be improved, I welcome them. Michael Sarian 12:49, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Comment - Such claims must be included in the article, if we are to care, and properly verified from reliable sources. If you can include cite just one of those that you mention, the article merits inclusion. - Tiswas(t) 16:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment- As stated by User:Princess Tiswas, you must include citations for your claims. Also, the notability guidelines say that the sources do not have to be from the internet only: sources can come from newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, and television documentaries. I would like to add that I don't think the IASO Records website should be used as a source, since the record label is advertising his new album. Finally, I still have a problem with certain words like "legendary", "immensely popular","finest musicians", and many others, since they lead me to think that the article is not written from a neutral point of view (these claims of greatness are not sourced). Thank you. Boricuaeddie Spread the love! 15:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Ditto on the peacock words and purple prose - Tiswas(t) 16:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Actually none of those adjectives are being used to describe Puerto Plata - the subject of this article. Immensely popular describes the island's guitar music. This many would view as fact. If you want to change the wording or put an alternative point of view feel free. Legendary describes the guitarist Edilio Paredes, and that he most certainly is in many people's opinion. It's hard to debate the point though with someone who is not either a Dominican from that generation or a lover of that style of music. PS - what's the correct way to post here - I'm editing by hand.. is there an easier way? Michael Sarian 2:00, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Comment- Your sentences "this many would view as fact" and "in many people's opinion" are exactly what I am trying to tell you to avoid. Wikipedia is not truth. Wikipedia is verifiability. You provide no sources for your claims. That is the problem. Boricuaeddie Spread the love! 18:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sr13 09:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Article is about a notable musician. This reference [1] which was added to the article yesterday confirms that the musician will star in an international music festival in Alberqueque later this year. This reference proves notability under WP:MUSIC criteria #4 for musicians. It shows that this musician: "Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in reliable sources." This clearly satisfies the criteria for notability. The fact that this reference was removed by the AfD nominator, while the AfD was running, [2] is also a concern. Paxse 10:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - on the strength of that link - performance at ¡Globalquerque! would appear to partly satisfy WP:MUSIC#4 (in that a concert is not a tour, although it does appear to be a largish event). More sources would be nice though - it's still a weak article without them - Tiswas(t) 10:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment- As explained on the article's talk page, I removed the reference because it was added by an unregistered IP editor and not an editor who added any content. According to Wikipedia:Verifiability, the burden of evidence lies with the editor who added content, not by a random editor who found a site. This said I think the reference should not be included as a reference, but as an external link, since neither the author nor another editor who added content to the article used that reference. Thank you. Boricuaeddie Spread the love! 16:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Agreed - Close the AfD, but tag the article to reflect the cleaning needed (citations, for a start) - Tiswas(t) 09:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.