Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Provincialism in Romania

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as essentially original research with no verifiable sources, and with possible issues of neologism and point of view. Can be re-created if it balances POV as noted in policies. Bearian 01:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Provincialism in Romania

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Original research. It's just a bunch of phrases put together without much cohesion anyway. bogdan 10:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I want to state that the this kind of discrimination is recognized in Romania and as such, there is a non-profit organization to combat it; the rest of the article is pretty much sourced. I don't understand how Bogdan, who is a proud Wallachian, can say that this is OR when I sourced to published material. The sources are credible and the poll that is a part of the sources, was conducted in a professional and intellectual matter. The article has great potential to be expanded and I will do all in power to find credible sources that can add to the material. I also don't think that this material can be included in other articles dealing with similar topics, because the subject is too obscure. --Thus Spake Anittas 10:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

BTW, "Provincialism" as a discriminatory practice and a parallel to "racism" is a neologism invented by you. Please see Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms. bogdan 11:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

That is simply untrue and I accuse you of trying to place a bad light on me. --Thus Spake Anittas 11:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Anittas, show me a dictionary entry about "provincialism" talking about "discrimination". Here's dictionary.com entry:

1. narrowness of mind, ignorance, or the like, considered as resulting from lack of exposure to cultural or intellectual activity.
2. a trait, habit of thought, etc., characteristic of a provincial, a province, or the provinces.
3. a word, expression, or mode of pronunciation peculiar to a province.
4. devotion to one's own province before the nation as a whole.

bogdan 11:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Very Strong DELETE - Anti-Romanian propaganda made by non-Romanian dude.

All of that develops to some sort of discrimination, which is what has happened in our country. Let us put aside our differences, Bogdan, and start building our country. I know you don't like Moldavians too much, but all I ask from you is to remain openminded. --Thus Spake Anittas 11:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

• delete. The brief rationale of Bogdan is completely correct. The article seems to be the expression of individual frustrations of the author. Dpotop 12:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep -- Wallachians try to hide the truth, which in this case, is backed up by reliable sources. I think this is very sad. They call the sources for my personal opinion. --Thus Spake Anittas 13:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Anittas, how do you expect to be taken seriously when you keep dismissing the opinions of all Wallachians for no reason other than the fact that they are Wallachian? Unless you're just trying to prove how widespread this "provincialism" is (going the other way though, ironically enough.) By the way, I'm obviously neither Wallachian nor Moldavian, so perhaps you'd be inclined to take my opinions and objections seriously if I were to expound on them a bit more? K. Lásztocska 03:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - this phenomenon is essentially unknown in Romania and the author, a well-known promoter of the interests of Moldavia, seems to have an axe to grind with this OR/SYN piece that strings together some random quotes to try and create the appearance of a valid topic. Biruitorul 14:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Weak delete -although the phenomenon is present at a lower level of social interaction (of course, americans couldn't know this), there's no study examining it, so it fails WP:SYNTHAnonimu 17:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

You have betrayed me. --Thus Spake Anittas 17:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Just respecting my code d'honneur.Anonimu 17:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Again, Anonimu, I ask that you refrain from baseless, incorrect guessing as to editors' domiciles when they have requested you not do that. Anyway, the sort of cheap, dismissive remark aimed at 300 million people is bound to fall short of its target. Which "americans" might these be? Keith Hitchins? Charles King? Romania isn't Mars, so of course there are Americans who do know the realities of intra-regional rivalry in Romania. Biruitorul 04:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

WTF?!?Anonimu 08:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NOT, WP:SYNTH and WP:COAT. In short, this article is a joke. The "phenomenon" was defined by the author (only too well-known for his theories on the differences between Moldavia and Wallachia), both title and text are whimsical, and the sources cited have no connection whatsoever to what the text is supposed to be about, and have been manipulated by the editor into something they are not (see for example where he cthe text "cites" a queen of Romania, making it seem like she endorses the concept because, in one of her statement, she said Wallachia was at the center of Romanian nationalism). Let me add that all countries have regional rivalries (except perhaps Aruba), but that doesn't make the subject of such articles noteworthy. As for the noteworthy phenomenons in this case, we already have an article. Dahn 17:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, WP:POINT, and others. An encyclopedia is not the place for ranting about perceived anti-Moldavian bias everywhere in Romanian society. K. Lásztocska 18:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

W00f w00f! ;) --Thus Spake Anittas 18:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

(torrent of foul Hungarian insults and expletives deleted.) K. Lásztocska 18:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

?!? you're an admin now?Anonimu 19:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I think she means that she initially posted insultive language, and thereafter had second thoughts and deleted them before hitting the send button. --Thus Spake Anittas 19:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Anittas is right--you see, I think twice before posting insults. Anonimu, no, I'm not an admin, and have no plans to become one in the near future. K. Lásztocska 22:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess Anonimu got a little nervous there. LOL! --Thus Spake Anittas 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, don't worry, Anonimu, I'd be a merciful and benevolent tyrant. ;-) K. Lásztocska 22:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

When members of the family will infiltrate the admin community we'll have POVN instead of NPOV.Anonimu 00:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind pointing out any NPOV violations any of us three has made in mainspace edits? Biruitorul 05:03, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The other two being who? As for you, I just have to look at your one day old editsAnonimu 08:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The other two being cabal members Dahn and K. Lastochka. And no, I contest such cheap bluster. If I am a POV-pusher, start an RfC against me, complain to ANI, take it a step further. But you cannot point to such edits; thus, you will not take it to the next level. Biruitorul 21:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope, Dahn is just one of those apparently respectable capitalists who hire the mob to do the dirty jobs for them. K. is a real g. If you're so sure report yourself and see what happens.Anonimu 22:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Oooh, ya got me! Don't go breakin my kneecaps, I'll squeal--we takes our orders from dis guy. Fnord. K. Lásztocska 03:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

You should ask the capo to teach you better tactics.Anonimu 08:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

That's "my woman"! :p --Thus Spake Anittas 22:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I make this promise to you Anittas: the next time you use mainspace to pull a prank or start a forum on your political opinions, and the next insult I see you direct at any other user, I'll be reporting you personally. You have been duly warned not to continue with this nonsense, you have been blocked for a long time in the past over this type of behavior, you continue to be disruptive in every way possible, and WP:AGF has clearly gone stale in your case. If you want to have fun and post various personal theories, have the decency to use some other site. Dahn 01:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep and expand - while I agree that the article is not appropriate in its current state, I think that the concept behind the article is good enough for Wikipedia. "Provincial" allegiances, identities and divisions in Romania are an interesting subject from a cultural studies and sociological perspective, and they need not be restricted to "anti-Moldovan prejudice". Information about Moldovan, Transylvanian, Oltenian and Wallachian stereotypes could also be included, issues regarding identity, etc. The only problem is that I'm not sure if there is enough literature on this subject so it can be backed up with sources. Ronline ✉ 10:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Where material is available and the subject is well-defined, I not only encourage articles to be created, I create them. But placing a coathanger where one disruptive editor hangs his grievances to dry, where the sources are misquoted and misinterpreted, and where the subject area is coined ad hoc by a versatile agenda is surely not worth a "keep", let alone an "expand". Dahn 12:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Dahn is Batman. --Thus Spake Anittas 18:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

And you are The Penguin! :-) bogdan 19:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

No, I think he's The Joker. Now quick: to the Dahncave! Dahn 19:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.