Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pronoia Tour

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —Cryptic 18:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronoia Tour

Does not establish notability of event. While the article claims some notability, it is unsourced and the claims of notability are written with weasel words. Natalie 21:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• I am a friend and associate with direct contact with Fraser Clark. I was reading a document on his Zippies and the Pronoia Tour. One stop on the tour, is as I describe in the Pronoia Tour page. The tour had far reaching impact on many. I am not sure what weasal words are (even after reading the defination) as used in reference to my writing, please advise? I was only trying to give an example of what the tour was all about.

Also, How better can I describe what I witnessed as part of the birth of the world wide web and contact with physical reality - that went on to have such positive influence on so many people - i.e. KidCast for Peace; Solutions for a Better World, and those touched by it which was directly influenced by the pronoia tour?

Unsourced? What do you mean by that? Just that I need to sign my name or something? Also I would like to know how to link the entry to my [Creativity Cafe Sandbox] page (for that is the next incarnation of the Zippy Tour's influence) and my personal TWIKI page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/PeterRosen Peterrosen 22:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• There are numerous problems with this. Wikipedia prohibits original research, which would include describing something you've witnessed. Wikipedia also requires verifiabilty, which is what I mean by unsourced. In a nutshell, you need to provide reliable, third party, published sources for any and all Wikipedia articles. But you're right about the weasel words - I was thinking about the claim "one of the first", but having looked more closely at the definition of weasel words, "one of the first" may not be a weasel words.Natalie 22:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete probable CSD A7 candidate. No evidence this has been the primary focus of multiple non-trivial coverage in media independent of the subject. And what the hell are "zippy folks"? Guy 22:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:V unless citations are provided to multiple, credible, third-party sources. -- Satori Son 00:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
• Edit per [[1]]. The tour is verifiable and was reported in Outside magazine, Edging West, and various west coast dailies. There is also a considerable archive of the tour available, and one should distinguish between the so-called "Official" Zippy Pronoia Tour to US owned by John Bagby and Louis Rossetto, and the unofficial "Zippie Intervasion of the UK with Tim Leary", and "Chemica Sutra with the KLF", "Cybersafari to Africa with Vortex" and of course, Zippie Kidcast with Peter Rosen.Ethnopunk 11:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• Edit You will find documentation about Creativity Cafe [here] including documentation movie on the Moscone Hall installation that was a direct result of meeting the Zippies, being introduced CU-SEEME video conferencing and to PRONOIA; all written up in global media [here] and other media sources (photocopies can be provided as references are not on the web). Peterrosen 21:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

• Strong delete I read the article twice and still don't know what Pronoia Tour is. I assume User:Peterrosen is the same Peter Rosen in the article – I got that much, at least – and if so, should get to know WP:AUTO. KrakatoaKatie 11:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.