Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Project jedi

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS; thus the article is kept. —Korath (Talk) 11:47, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

I count four deletes, a merge, and four keeps (including nixie's move and Average Earthman's comments). —Korath (Talk) 11:47, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Project jedi

Nonsense about a supposedly classified super-soldier project. I respect the attempt at conspiracy theory fiction, so I didn't nominate for speedy. There's almost no chance of expansion or verification since the article states "Little else is known about Project Jedi at this time, pending further declassification of Special Forces documentation." Delete. Carrp | Talk 23:02, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Suggested literature is "The Men Who Stare At Goats"??? This is almost BJAODN material imho. Delete. Radiant! 23:19, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)--Sn0wflake 03:16, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• The book is real. This is probably taken from the book. Weak Keep and send to Cleanup. Uncle G 23:49, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
• Keep, but with reservations. Article neesd cleanup and expansion. Megan1967 00:45, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Too much theorization and lack of factual proof. --Sn0wflake 03:16, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• This isn't a joke - seriously. The US took research into alternative methods of warfare quite seriously, with the idea that not testing something just because it seems very, very silly may be a bad move in the long run. So, apart from anything else, they tried staring at goats to see if they could will them to die (one goat did, but it was statistical that if you stare at a goat for long enough one will have a heart attack). Col. John B. Alexander is another name to look up related to this. Since then they dumped the hippy ideas, and took on things such as playing the Barney the Dinosaur theme on a loop to prisoners to try to make them crack. Not sure how much of this article is a summary, and how much is a straight lift from Jon Ronson's book. Average Earthman 01:02, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• It's a real book Amazon. I would suggest moving the material from this article to The men who stare at goats rewriting it to be about the book unless there's anything else to substantiate the information presented.--nixie 12:05, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Doesn't conform to laws of physics enough to be included for factual accuracy and doesn't have enough publicity to be included as notable hoax. Delete. --Pjacobi 14:48, 2005 Feb 20 (UTC)
  • So you're saying that if the US government did something really, really silly that relied on them breaking the laws of physics to work, we should just pretend they never tried it? Why not delete the article on SDI, since it was economically and practically impossible? Or, hey, communism doesn't work, so let's delete the article on communism. I think an article on the US PsyOps thinking of the past, relying on publicised sources such as Ronson's book, is worth having. Shame this isn't it, though. Average Earthman 19:01, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • No, I consider the extent of breaking the laws of physics to be a hint, whether it is hoax or history. --Pjacobi 21:11, 2005 Feb 20 (UTC)
      • The article states that they were trying to break the laws of physics, not that they succeeded. So this suggests historic lunacy at high levels of a military that is armed with nuclear weapons. Average Earthman 12:57, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with all the other articles on the Army's crank research under some suitable title. --Carnildo 20:31, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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