Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Professional Congress Organiser

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was consensus = Keep. --VS ^talk 10:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Professional Congress Organiser

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I can find no evidence of notability for this type of company (nor with an "S"). People in it may be notable, but the company definition is little more than a dicdef with some OR. I don't see any evidence of encyclopedic content. Travellingcari (talk) 04:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - trying Googling the term or looking up some of the references. It's well established and lies at the heart of a multi-billion dollar global industry. andy (talk) 07:11, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment This would probably work better if it didn't use such specific jargon. The same job seems to be known by different names in different places, e.g. meeting organizer, conference professional, etc. --Dhartung | Talk 08:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep and discuss the right title on the talk page., per Dhartung. DGG (talk) 09:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Possible merge to [Meeting and convention planner]] if they're indeed the same thing. To comment 1, I did google it and nothing encyclopedic came up in the slightest. I'm not sure this should be a standalone if it's a region specific name for the same thing. Travellingcari (talk) 16:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Googling both the US and UK spellings gives over 18,000 hits. "PCO + conference" (using the common acronym) gets 733,000 hits. What do you mean about not finding anything "encyclopedic" - what were you expecting? These hits all relate to the use of professionals for a very defined business activity. It's no different from any other business activity.

Meeting and convention planner is a related business but by no means the same. andy (talk) 17:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• Merge into main article, no independent notability. Relata refero (talk) 18:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge into which main article? Meeting and convention planner is a related but different line of business. andy (talk) 18:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Not sufficiently different, in my opinion. Relata refero (talk) 18:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

If it's different, then why is MPI listed as an professional organization on Professional_Congress_Organiser? I don't think they're sufficiently different and ghits!=notability in an encyclopedia. Wiki isn't a directory of career options and it's not a list of everything out there? What's notable about this type of work? I still don't see it hence I haven't redacted my nom. Travellingcari (talk) 18:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Look, it's a job. WP has plenty of articles on jobs, some of them pretty obscure (for example Rat-catcher). This one is a job which is central to a huge global industry. Maybe the article isn't perfect but that's not a reason for deletion. andy (talk) 20:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

and [[WP:OTHERSTUFF|but we have other articles] isn't a good reason to keep either. Before I change my nom, I'd like to see something that passes WP:N. This isn't Field of Dreams If you build it, they will come. It needs to pass WP:N Travellingcari (talk) 20:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete It's not a "job", it's another pseudo-generic article about a specific pseudo association with 80 members about 76 Google hits that include no mention in any trade or mainstream or respected industry trade publications. The article was created around the description of this specific organization that couldn't pass notability on its own. See Association management company for another good example. And if there was a way some PR firm could make money (i.e. fees, memberships, etc.) off killing rats, then we'd be here discussing an article on Certified Professional Vermin Elimination Organizers. Flowanda | Talk 06:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I've tweaked the article and added some stats. PCOs handle about a third of the UK's £7 billion conference market. There's nothing pseudo about the article. andy (talk) 12:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.