Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prisoner Overseas

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge and delete. Merged cultural impact with main Prisoner article, deleted the rest as indsicriminate collection of information. — OcatecirT 01:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prisoner Overseas

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Delete - the bulk of the article is the syndicated broadcast schedule of the show. Wikipedia is not a TV Guide and numerous similar articles for shows from The Simpsons to Desperate Housewives have been deleted. The rest of the article is tidbits relating to the broadcast internationally, which is pretty trivial, and a few mentions of fan activities and reunion appearances of the various cast members. Not encyclopedic in the slightest. Otto4711 02:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film and TV-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 02:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Wikipedia is not a an indiscriminate collection of information. Sanpete Slim 02:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete This is what fansites are for, and there are enough of them for this show. Masaruemoto 03:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
  • KeepA lot of Prisoner fans aren't aware of the fansites around and will use Wikipedia as there first point of contact. A lot of people took a lot of time and trouble to research all the dates and times included in the article, myself included User:Javalather 20:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
  • WP:EFFORT is not IMHO a valid argument for keeping. Otto4711 14:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep If this article has to go why is there List of Falcon Crest episodes as a page which gives (similarly) meaningless airdates and episode titles. Falcon Crest and Prisoner are two shows from the same era. In fact the whole of Lists of soap opera episodes is meaningless as it does not contain Melrose Place which is a soap opera. In the UK, Australia and Sweden (in all three where Prisoner has become an enduring popular programme) soap operas do not have a 22 episode run per year. They have episodes in virtually every week of the year. In Sweden the show was screened for the first time nationally. The UK airdates here are not for syndicated or repeated episodes. they are for the first showings which varied enormously throughout the UK due to the policies of the ITV network concerning acquired programmes. There is probably nowhere else in the world which would have had a programme run in two towns two miles apoart where one town would see episodes eight years after the first town. When the show finished in one area, some fans even moved to different parts of the UK to continue to watch their favourite show. The Australian dates given are for the first ever worldwide airing as on ATV0/10 in Melbourne. Maybe this whole article should be on a fansite elsewhere however wikipedia is often the first port of call for many visitors. The series is currently being released on DVD with around 30 episodes released each month. These dates allow people to know when it was shown in their own areas too. It also HAS helped a couple of the shows performers understand why they got fanletters from UK fans at different times, allowing the performer to understand the strange scheduling pattern of the show. User:Topps248
  • Comment/Neutral Some of this information is worthy of a daughter article (cultural impact and comments about censorship). The main Prisoner article is huge so in theory this article is worthy: however, as much as I hate to say it, the scheduling info is fancruft. As long as it exists elsewhere on the web, those who want it will find it. The JPStalk to me 20:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep The article was originally on the main page for the programme, however the article for the whole programme then became too long. It was HUGE, yes. The foreign success of the show was the most suitable part to separate and has had quite a bit of input. There is not anywhere else on the web which gives the scheduling info though. User:Topps248
      • One vote per user, please, though you are allowed to comment as many times as is productive. The JPStalk to me 20:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep While the article can definately do with being tidied up and scaled down, I think it would be a real loss if it was deleted completely. I don't agree that it is a 'TV Guide'; it just so happens that in the UK, due to the (sometimes bizarre) regional variations, there is a lot of relevant notes. The article became far too long for the main article, and was given a daughter article accordingly. If this article is to be deleted, then 99% of television / film articles should be deleted or at very least very heavily edited accordingly. Personally I think it is a very good, comprehensive article, one which I often look at for reference, and as I say would be a very great loss if it was completely deleted. (Just in case, I have saved a copy of the article to maybe donate to a fan site in case it is (unjustly) deleted). Jay Firestorm 23:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • As mentioned in the article, the series was the first real Austrailian hit in the UK (and some other countries), so far from being just a 'TV Guide', it is a reflection of the cultural impact overseas. Jay Firestorm 01:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment/Neutral The article rightly states that many sources claim the show started airing in the UK in 1987. As the details in this article show, the other sources are wrong. This is the only source which correctly details the actual UK premier airdate. User:Topps248
  • Wikipedia is not a primary source. If there is no reliable source to document what the Wikipedia article asserts then the article can't remain. Otto4711 19:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
TV Guides/newspapers can act as the primary source. Thus the article could be verified by a trip to the British Library. The JPStalk to me 19:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.