Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Preston Zimmerman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Bearian (talk) 16:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Preston Zimmerman

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Contested PROD about a footballer who plays for Hamburg's reserve team and never played in a fully professional league, thus failing WP:ATHLETE. The PROD was contested under the claim he meets WP:FOOTYN#4, which is a bit weird since it is about "Pre-professional (amateur era) footballers", which is definitely not the case. Angelo (talk) 10:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Angelo (talk) 10:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Clearly fails WP:BIO#Athletes. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
• Question Hamburger SV II play in the German Regionalliga Nord, could someone confirm that this is not a fully professional league? Struway2 (talk) 10:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

• I've jsut found this discussion in the WP:FOOTY archives about the issue. --Angelo (talk) 11:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

• Which appears to say it isn't a fully professional league yet, in which case Delete. Struway2 (talk) 12:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

• Save Zimmerman was signed to a contract with the Hamburg senior squad a couple months ago, article hasn't been updated to reflect this. Also he is an up and coming American player. The fact he signed at 17 is a significant event in the American soccer community. He has also represented his country in the U-20 World Cup. Oh Snap (talk) 15:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • The fact that he joined the senior squad is completely irrelevant. He has never actually played for them, which is what matters in this case. "Up and coming" is not a reason to keep. пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep The Regionalliga has a few amateur teams, but then so does the Belgian League. Hamburger SV II are certainly professional. Zimmerman has also been called into the full US national team. [1] --Balerion (talk) 05:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• If Hamburger SV II is a professional (rather than amateur or semi-pro) side, then I would support keeping the article. Does anyone have support for this? (I found the attendance for their opening home match was 2400: [2]). Jogurney (talk) 19:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

• Oh, I'm sure they are a pro side BanRay 23:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep per Balerion BanRay 16:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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