Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prema Sai Baba (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Kurykh 18:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prema Sai Baba

(2nd Nomination for Deletion)

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• Delete-I personally don't have an opinion about the Prema Sai Baba Issue, I just didn't know wiki cited predictions of people as biographically mertiable. I understand that I didn't get the procedure right for deletion, then apparently didn't get it right again before someone swiftly deleted the tag. Instead, I think I am just going to write a biography article entitled Jesus the 2nd, since I can quote thousands of people that say he is to be born and cite lot's of references to the same effect. But I am sure that would get a speedy deletion tag in about 30 seconds. Prema Sai Baba is an idea stated by one man, that someone will be born someday. The article is tagged as a WPBio but contains no details of any actions of a person alive or deceased or even fictional. It is also tagged in the scope of Hindu Mythology but this is comparable to saying the future child of Tammy Faye Baker is to be a part of the Holy Trinity because Pat Roberston said so and that quailfies it as Christian Mythology. This article is the espousal of one man's doctrine, at best, and in that sense is originally flawed as an encyclopedic article. You might as well post an article on every person that holds a streetcorner sign that reads "The End is Near, Jesus is coming". --Iconoclast Horizon 18:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete or Merge-This topic does not merit its own entry; the refs and cites used are too circumlocutive and the topic of a prediction of a person is not notable as biographical. --Iconoclast Horizon 18:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• DOES NOT MEET CRITERIA
  

I must concur: This 'person' is NOT generally, a person who is "part of the enduring historical record", as mentioned in the guidelines. Has NOT been written about by historians or scholars. Does NOT have an independent biography. The relationship to a known living person does NOT validate it as notable and DOES more or less, appear to be a religious prediction. DOES appear to be a 'promotion' of a current cause or religious movement.
I see no reason this article is a stand alone article except as a promotion of a religious cause. --Humanharmony2222 (talk) 20:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. There are far more notable people actually currently walking around on the Earth. Qworty (talk) 21:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits} 06:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. I think we can all agree that this article is not about a person who has lived or is living. That means that that notability needs to be establish for the subject as a religious belief, not as a person, so WP:BIO is not relevant. And btw there is an article about Jesus the 2nd, it's called Second coming. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment-The article Second Coming is addressed as a concept, the Prema Sai Baba is tagged WP:Bio on the discussion page and is treated as such in the language; the photo of Sathya Sai Baba presumed to be born as the next incarnation has been removed and the Infobox was deleted. This article is masking as a biography of someone yet to be born.---Iconoclast Horizon 13:52, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Kkrystian (talk) 14:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

  Comment-To primary contributor to Sai Baba articles (above), please do not remove tags until this is decided.---Iconoclast Horizon 14:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

  Comment- I see that you removed the Confilct of Interest tag anyway. Since you are a primary contributor to this and to other Sai Baba articles, I feel you have a conflict of interest about how this article is presented so I posted the tag to that effect.---Iconoclast Horizon 21:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Article subject appears to be a real religious belief held by a significant number of people. Similar beliefs held by different religious groups would be, Mahdi, Messiah, Maitreya, etc. Edward321 (talk) 19:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

  Comment- No one said the Sai Baba Faction didn't believe what their leader is telling them. The Messiah, Maitreya, etc are not presented as bios of future incarnations of current living incarnations. The living 14th Dalai Lama doesn't have an article for his possible future incarnation of the 15th Dalai Lama for a reason. This article is simply espousing the doctrine of one man and his followers. But I suppose that is why it is WikiPedia and not the Encyclopedia because it just a matter of what people believe not necessarily what it true.---Iconoclast.Horizon (talk) 20:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. At best, this deserves a mention in the article on Sathya Sai Baba. Unlike Second Coming or Kalki, this is enough to deserve an article. Wikipedia is not a platform to popularize fringe theories from every single religious leader. utcursch | talk 11:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.