Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Post-metal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. - Bobet 15:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post-metal

This "genre" is a made up neologism, with only one band being described as post metal. All the other bands listed as post metal are better categorized as other legitimate genres. Also the article isn't sourced (most of the sources are band websites and wikipedia itself) and it has a few self references. The genre is basically the same thing as progressive metal. T REX_speak 20:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment. Btw progressive metal has almost absolutely nothing to do with post-metal. I think that just a glance at the names of the bands mentioned in each article is enough to determine there is very little musical connection between these 2 genres.--daydreamer 19:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• delete nonsense pseudo-metal-genre-cruft Spearhead 21:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Why remove it because it's niche? As for sourcing, the New York Times is pretty reputable. It's being sourced more and more as I spend more time on it, and is better sourced than progressive metal. There are a lot of genres out there, what makes any one more legitimate than another? At the moment, 13 albums are in a post-metal category, by more than one artist, contributed by more than one editor. I don't see how removing it improves the encyclopaedic nature of Wikipedia. For evidence of the term's growing use in the music press, see [1]

[2] [3] [4] and [5].Seegoon 11:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment One of those was a forum, and the user said "Post metal, did you coin that yourself?", post metal was created by Isis the band, and is used to to describe their music, but thats it. No other bands consider themselves post metal. 1 genre for a very small number of bands(about 3 or 4) isn't enough to warrant an article. Besides the sources are from lyrics and interviews from isis, and wikipedia itself. I would rather have an article that is unsourced than one with questionable sources or self references. T REX_speak 18:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment And all the bands that are extremely similar to Isis...? Commander deathguts 18:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Really Weak Keep. Weak because I can't find anything to suggest that ANY of the bands listed use the term to describe their own music. But bands very rarely describe themselves in such narrow brackets and there are a lot of GHits for the term, many to bands whom I would regard as stylistically similar to those listed. It's a tricky one because these genre neologisms can either take and become totally embedded or they can disappear within a couple of months. Could be a Brit-pop or a Post-rock, could be irrelevent by Xmas....Ac@osr 13:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I personally use the term post-metal and have witnessed a popularization of the term in music forums or real life conversations with other music fans. I also believe more and more acts are producing works that can easily be categorised as post-metal. It might be too early for it to be included in wikipedia, as I think that Ac@osr suggests, but since it is included and in fact as a well-written article that includes the criticism suggesting its non-existance, it should stay and maybe its deletion could be reconsidered in a couple of years from now. --daydreamer 15:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as neologism. The term might be in (incorrect) use due to success of post-rock, but it's not Wikipedia-notable. No band is best categorized as "post-metal", and belong to more verifiable genres. Prolog 09:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. On the one hand it describes a fairly precise sound - on the other, this is not a tiny niche but, along with the whole drone-doom thing, one of the two really hotly tipped extreme music genres to break out of the Terrorizer ghetto. It's far more precise than post-rock, and is broader based than, say, blackened thrash metal - and if you can have separate pages for minimal house and microhouse, then you need a division between post and prog metal. I can think of no reason to delete it but to satisfy some folks' ignorant egos. There might be a case for a renaming if a more common term can be found, but it looks as though this is the one. Commander deathguts 18:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Why o why remove it? When I was looking for more bands like Isis and Cult of Luna and this article felt like a gift from above. It's well-written and an interesting read, please do NOT remove this page!

• Comment Above anon's only edit, and also just because it's well written and interesting doesn't mean it should stay. T REX_speak 00:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep as per Commander Deathguts and Seegoon. Really, it's absolutely taking the piss that this is even being disputed. Cassandra Leo 06:08, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.