Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Popomundo (second nomination)

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The result was nomination withdrawn after sources provided. Article cleanup encouraged. Non-admin closure per WP:CSK (and to mitigate backlog). Serpent's Choice 07:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Popomundo (second nomination)

Popomundo (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) - (View log)

The game was deleted from an AfD in March 2006. No idea how similar the articles are now. Anyway, no reliable sources have been found or presented, there are issues with verifiability, and I don't think the game meets WP:WEB. No reliable sources found from Google either. Wafulz 05:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• • Withdrawn on the presentation of multiple reliable secondary sources. Thanks for your hard work Morhange. --Wafulz 15:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep If we have articles on something as insignificant as the Janesville Country Club, surely an article on a game with over 75000 (according to the main page) players worldwide merits an article. If necessary, as a player of the game, I can encourage some of the other players to expand the article, since the game has a lot of things that you wouldn't expect to find in a game based on musical careers. Some of the sources are from the game as well. Morhange 05:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • The inclusion of other articles is not criteria for the inclusion of this one. This AfD deals with this article and this article's lack of independent sourcing. --Wafulz 05:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom unless reliable sources can be found to assert notability. GassyGuy 05:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Out of curiosity, does the fact that the game has 75,000 members worldwide not make it notable? Morhange 05:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
    • No, that always ends up in an argument around "how many are active" and "this number isn't big enough". Notability is defined by WP:WEB standards. --Wafulz 05:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Well I know that that an article about the game appeared in the Spanish version of Rolling Stone, if that counts for anything. Morhange 06:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete unless we can find proof of significant RS mention. Google News Archive returns a grand total of 0 hits. yandman 08:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, total ghits are massive. From this initial simple analysis it appears to be widely known and popular to some, with other non-afilliated websites supporting the game such as this one. [1] Mathmo ^Talk 08:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't make it notable following our criteria. We've got to avoid a bias towards "internet notability", which is why we insist on more than GHits. yandman 10:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Here's the Rolling Stone article text [2], and a translated version [3] and the full article [4] It was in the July 2006 of the Spanish Rolling Stone. It was also mentioned here and here as well. Morhange 09:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • That's exactly the sort of discussion that we want. Thank you. Please cite more sources. Uncle G 10:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. A mention in the Spanish Rolling Stone, plus many, many Google hits, is enough for me. -Toptomcat 14:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Popomundo is a pretty much closed society for those not a registered member. A wikipedia entry will be of use for those who have heard about it but don't want to register. The article could be shortened though, because there is no point in listing skills etc. --2GooD 15:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.