Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pop hardcore

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. Redwolf24 (talk) 00:19, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pop hardcore

This is quite a useful article to have, but has been created as an excuse to mock bands that one Wiki user doesn't like. The list of bands at the end is a joke and contains mostly bands that the term doesn’t apply to.

For a start ‘Pop Core’ isn’t a genre as such, it’s an adjective used to tag bands in a similar way to the modern usage of emo. It refers to rock bands that have either been ‘created’ by larger record companies to fill gaps in their portfolios (esp. in the early 00’s such as Lost Prophets) or to bands that had image makeovers to make them look more rock. I’ve heard it used to describe acts that contain former members of pop acts too (such as Charlie from Busted’s new rock band Fightstar).

I’d keep it but overhaul it – I might have a go later on. Nli10 09:54, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

• I think the list of bands at the end needs to be culled. It's quite obvious it was made just to spite bands this article's creator didn't like (I'm not a fan of As I Lay Dying, but they're certainly nothing near "popcore," and they sound nothing like other bands on the list, such as Chevelle, which also shouldn't qualify as popcore). -- User:Sirveaux 11:53, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• What do you mean record companies "created" Lostprophets?! There was a rumour about them being a manufactured band when they first started making it big, but as someone who lives pretty close to where all the band members grew up, I can vouch that those rumours where complete b.s. Look at the article on the band for more info on all that stuff.

  And I vote Delete. The title's subjective, and this information is covered much more extensively and neutrally in the article on 21st Century Emo. --80.4.224.6 15:44, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

• I think the title is better than 21st century emo, simply because the latter implies that this music is emo, and it isn't. However, the bands listed in pop-hardcore need to be changed.

  Ie: Alkaline Trio is punk (earlier stuff), pop-punk (later stuff)

  Sugarcult, Yellowcard, Simpleplan, AAR, My Chemical Romance, are ALL pop-punk

  Thrice, Thursday are post-hardcore

  Coheed And Cambria are prog rock.

  The bands i agree as being popcore: Hawthrone Heights, Sutterfly --Web250 16:55, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

• ok, so maybe the band list at the bottom isn't the most accurate, and many of these bands fall under other genre names. i would still like to keep this page, and just edit it down heavily to include bands that are directly pop-core.. ie The Movielife, Saves The Day and so on. --68.171.62.215 01:33, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference what a small handful of people feel "emo" is. If the world considers a band to be "emo", then they're "emo", right or wrong. It's not up to us to make the decision, and it's not up to us to create some genre to throw the bands we don't think are "emo". Popular culture decides, and they have. Our job on Wiki is to portray reality, not dictate it. -- ChrisB 07:35, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
• This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now. No opinion. —Cryptic (talk) 09:27, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• Speedy keep per nominator ("I’d keep it but overhaul it"). AfD isn't the place for content disputes; this all belonged on the article's talk page. — mendel ☎ 16:43, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete unless someone can cite evidence of this term being used for a genre of music or in reference to "emo" bands in credible musical media. Looks to me to be another neologistic "genre" that doesn't exist.--Isotope23 19:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• Comment. Please ppl, we're voting on AfDs here, not discussing musical terminology. Please vote, use comment, or at least abstain. Eaglizard 13:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete no such thing.  Grue  18:11, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.