Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Polk Street
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. John254 04:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Polk Street
Non-notable street. Just a minor mention of a See's Candy store and a few pictures. Kurykh 04:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Expand Add the rest. It's an interesting and varied area. DGG (talk) 04:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Keep Article provides a well-documented description to establish notability, though expansion would be helpful per User:DGG. Alansohn (talk) 05:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- I see how it asserts notability, but not how it establishes notability. —Kurykh 05:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Keep I really don't see the need to delete this article. There are a number of references in the article that establish notability. However, improvement is definitely needed. Chris! ct 06:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Delete Being known locally for drug dealing and nightlife doesn't establish notability. You could say the same for dozens of streets in every city in the world. There's nothing about why this is notable outside the local area. --L. Pistachio (talk) 08:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. SWik78 (talk) 14:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - Very notable San Francisco street. Besides being a prominent retail/restaurant district, it is one the the traditional centers of the iconic San Francisco gay community. It was here that the first San Francisco Gay Pride Parade took place in 1972. A lot o history explained in this Oakland Tribune article. [1]. This AfD is classic example of the increasing WP:OSTRICH trend amongst AfD noms. --Oakshade (talk) 18:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Your post was understandable and helpful until the last statement. I request you withdraw such ridiculous assumptions of bad faith. —Kurykh 19:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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- Kurykh, an AfD is a LAST resort when all other methods of establishing notability have been exhausted. Your justification for deleting this article was "Non-notable street. Just a minor mention of a See's Candy store and a few pictures" not only demonstrates WP:IDONTKNOWIT but indicates you were only deciding the notability of this topic by what you saw in the article and attempted to delete this article without the slightest amount of research (a few second google search would've brought up several articles about this topic). As Wikipedia:Deletion policy states "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion." The edit history shows you made absolutely no effort to improve the article and set up this AfD. That's not an assumption, that's a fact. Next time you make a proposed deletion, repeat the following sentence from WP:OSTRICH several times... "A little research on a topic you are unfamiliar with will take just as much time as putting an article up for deletion. " --Oakshade (talk) 23:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- I lived in San Francisco all my life, so I'm not the total ignoramus you are trying to cast me as. Just because this street exists and has a few restaurants does not a notable street make. Admittedly, I didn't word the nomination statement as well as I should, because I was trying to say, "it pretty much cannot be expanded meaningfully beyond the present state." Now if you're presenting information that I didn't know, by all means do so, but if you're going to attack me in the guise of an AfD vote, then keep it to yourself. Next time you comment on a "proposed deletion," repeat the following sentence from WP:NPA several times... "Comment on content, not on the contributor." In your quest to teach people about proper processes, you are only coming across as aggressive and instead alienating those who you are trying to explain to. —Kurykh 00:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Kurykh, an AfD is a LAST resort when all other methods of establishing notability have been exhausted. Your justification for deleting this article was "Non-notable street. Just a minor mention of a See's Candy store and a few pictures" not only demonstrates WP:IDONTKNOWIT but indicates you were only deciding the notability of this topic by what you saw in the article and attempted to delete this article without the slightest amount of research (a few second google search would've brought up several articles about this topic). As Wikipedia:Deletion policy states "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion." The edit history shows you made absolutely no effort to improve the article and set up this AfD. That's not an assumption, that's a fact. Next time you make a proposed deletion, repeat the following sentence from WP:OSTRICH several times... "A little research on a topic you are unfamiliar with will take just as much time as putting an article up for deletion. " --Oakshade (talk) 23:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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- Yes, and it's also notable for its murals, too. This is how I feel right now. —BoL 00:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Keep - Polk Street is/was notable for being a center of gay culture. -Chunky Rice (talk) 22:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep per comments above, except for the delete part. Some streets may be notable, but what about this and Castro Street? This street shows lots of notability, including City Hall, See's Candy, and Galileo. And if you're thinking about blocking me, read this first. —BoL 00:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Strong keep but move to "Polk Gulch". The article is mainly about the neighborhood and not the street per se. San Francisco neighborhoods are sufficiently notable topics in themselves (note, Template:San_Francisco), and Polk Gulch has particular importance as an early center of San Francisco gay culture in the era prior to the dominance of Castro Street in that regard. Peter G Werner (talk) 06:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Polk Street has been famous (or infamous) for decades. I disagree that this should be moved to Polk Gulch, but I do think Polk Gulch should redirect here. Torc2 (talk) 22:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: "Polk Gulch" is the more commonly used term to describe, the neighborhood, which is what the article is really about. Peter G Werner (talk) 23:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - within the neighborhood, sure. But I'm a Bay Area native and have never heard the term "Polk Gulch" outside of the city. I think the references in the article kind of bear that out. Torc2 (talk) 23:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: "Polk Gulch" is the more commonly used term to describe, the neighborhood, which is what the article is really about. Peter G Werner (talk) 23:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
