Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Polish National Top 50

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was COMPLICATED. I'm going to treat these articles as one, more or less, and reach a decision about their disposition on that basis. There is not a consensus to delete all these articles in these debates. However, the debaters here have not done due diligence and examined how we have disposed of the same question for other, perhaps more established, chart listings. For example, we have things like UK Singles Chart and UK Albums Chart and Pop 100 (US) and so on, a very encyclopedic treatment of the topic that rises above an obsessive listing that changes every few days - an approach that would be unsuitable for an archive of knowledge. This aspect is dealt with by the articles such as List of number-one albums (UK), List of number-one singles (UK) (and its subarticles) and Number-one dance hits of 2007 (USA) and other similar articles.

I am therefore going to DELETE Polish National Top 50, and KEEP Polish National Top 50 number-one hits of 2006 and Polish National Top 50 number-one hits of 2007. The List of Polish National Top 50 number-one hits is pointless as it stands, and might have more utility about 10 years from now, so I shall DELETE it, and recommend that a template navbox be created to go at the bottom of the surviving articles.

I would recommend to those maintaining these articles that they get a very clear view of what is obsessive cruft and what is encyclopedia material. -Splash - tk 14:39, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Addendum: I just found Template:PNT50. Someone should do something about that. Splash - tk 14:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Polish National Top 50

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Not referenced to anything but homepage looking webpage. Likely OR, using Wikipedia to advertise non-notable project/website, or using Wikipedia as web hosting service. And non-notable project list of 50 whatevers is not notable, either. Creator has removed prod tags. Note this is one of the four similar articles found and nominated at AfD. PS. Please note that the creator of those articles responded to this AfD by removing those noms from AfD list. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  04:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - this applies to all of the Polish Top 50 nominations. The underlying concept of the top hits in Poland seems notable enough to warrant a page. Moreover, a website may well be a reliable enough source for this sort of data; that the compilers of the Polish Top 50 have a cheesy looking website on home.planet.nl is neither here nor there. If this site gets a data feed from another source, that source should be cited though, if available. I do think that the several pages about Polish hits ought to merge into one.

  With Gwen Stefani and Justin Timberlake on the charts, I am mighty glad not to have to listen to Polish radio. - Smerdis of Tlön 13:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

• Keep and Comment - I think the article is notable - if it is completely re-written to actually explain the history and methodology of the Polish music charts (article needs categories too). As it stands now its definitely a copyright violation as its probably updated every week with the current top ten by a music chart fan and those images can't possibly adhere to any fair use/image guidelines. - eo 16:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, some images are untagged as copyvio.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. I doubt if this is notable. It looks like wikicruft with copyvio. Appleseed (Talk) 01:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I agree the Polish National Top 50 article needs to be re-written but why are articles with lists of #1 hits in Poland nominated for deletion??? Addie555 21:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

• Keep assuming these can be verified as really being the Polish charts. If that's the case, they'd be a list of songs achieving a significant thing. The claims of "wikicruft" are very odd. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The only reference is creator's homepage...-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  14:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • In that case, is there an authentic Polish singles chart we can source information from? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
      • I don't know, and no reference other than creator's claims like below has been presented for or against. In essence, there is nothing disproving it is not a WP:HOAX...-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  21:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Polish National Top 50 is an official Polish singles chart! Addie555 16:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: eminently unencyclopedic, verging on advertising. Biruitorul 16:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Not encyclopedic content. --Lysy^talk 13:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.