Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pokémon NetBattle (2nd nomination)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. W.marsh 16:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pokémon NetBattle
Fails WP:N: Does not have mutliple reliable sources independent of the topic itself. Smogon, Nintendo.com forums do not qualify as reliable sources. Last AFD was a unanimous "keep and cleanup." It has since been 15 months without any improvement, and the third-party sources tag was put up there six months ago. hbdragon88 04:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. hbdragon88 04:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- It is considered good form to provide a link to the original AfD. Morgan Wick 07:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - There's absolutely nothing there to assert it's notability (WP:N) and no reliable references (WP:V). Marasmusine 12:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete While it's while written, it lacks sources proving notability. Unless sources can be found (I tried, but came up with nothing) it has to go. Perhaps someone might care to transfer the bulk of the article to a Pokemon wiki, but that's up to them.Cheers, Lanky ○ Yell ○ 13:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. Large, active community, many fan sites to source from, and a bajillion Google hits says notable, but Alexa rank for download site and lack of media coverage puts me on the fence. The Smogon fansite (basically NetBattle's new home), however, has about a 40,000 Alexa rank (don't let the week average fool you; the site's been down.) So, keep. I can maintain if no one else wants to. -- Chris is me (user/review/talk) 22:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - Another article that cannot provide reliable sources to verify any claims of notability. As usual, requests for sources have been ignored. 15 months is more than a reasonable amount of time for improvement. DarkSaber2k 08:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Do Not Delete. The unofficial rules started in Netbattle have carried over to the actual games. Either keep this, make a Pokémon Metagame article, or both. --Gaming King 20:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Is there any evidence that these rules were not merely a coincidence? Suppose I were to write a Star Wars fanfic where Darth Maul was cloned; if that event then happens in the new TV series would I really be able to say "wow, George Lucas used my story", or would it just be him thinking of the same obvious way of bringing back a popular villain? Pokémon games are developed years ahead of the first announcements of their existence, so it's quite possible that ideas the NetBattle team had were already dreamed up by GameFreak's think tank a year earlier. Wikipedia articles can't be based on hearsay and circumstance. If you can find a publication of some sort that mentions NetBattle's ideas were implemented, then yes, that's something to consider. GarrettTalk 01:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- The pokemon games, starting with the Stadium Nintendo 64 games, already incorporated a metagame dynamic similar to the standard battling rules used on Netbattle, such as a sleep clause and a ubers ban, all while some other standard netbattle rules such as evasion clauses and ohko moves clauses were never implented in the games to my knowledge. So no, I dont believe Netbattle had an impact on the actual games, although it certainly had one on how wifi battles on the new pokemon ds games are played. That said, Netbattle's popularity shouldnt be measured by its own website, as it has been abandonned years ago. It is still used by hundreds of battlers from every country imaginable every week and many sites gravitate around it. I know that first hand from hosting the main server for more than a year. --Vineon 05:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Is there any evidence that these rules were not merely a coincidence? Suppose I were to write a Star Wars fanfic where Darth Maul was cloned; if that event then happens in the new TV series would I really be able to say "wow, George Lucas used my story", or would it just be him thinking of the same obvious way of bringing back a popular villain? Pokémon games are developed years ahead of the first announcements of their existence, so it's quite possible that ideas the NetBattle team had were already dreamed up by GameFreak's think tank a year earlier. Wikipedia articles can't be based on hearsay and circumstance. If you can find a publication of some sort that mentions NetBattle's ideas were implemented, then yes, that's something to consider. GarrettTalk 01:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Does not appear to meet the notability standard for video games or software. Hardly verifiable. Andre (talk) 21:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - No references, despite reference tag being up forever. I don't find any through my Googling, so doesn't seem to pass WP:ATT/WP:V/whatever we're calling not having sources. Wickethewok 04:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. 15 months with no improvement pretty much shows there is nothing out there. -Amarkov moo! 22:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete In my opinion, it's as notable as any hacking/editing program of games. They aren't made by official companies, neither is this. TheBlazikenMaster 23:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
