Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Podorowsky, Thompson & Baron

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The result was Delete. @pple complain 15:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Podorowsky, Thompson & Baron

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Not very notable, reads like a press release/brochure. Skywolf ^talk/_contribs 20:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

• AGAINST DELETION The discussion of this law firm seems to be in line with other similar entries for law firms in Wikipedia. It does not seem to list ads for the firm or even links to their website. Its been cleaned up. Some of the figures cited in the article seem to have notability including historical figures like Robert F. Kennedy, former Wisconsin Attorney General George Thompson and Stamford Mayor Daniel Malloy. The firm is located in a historic 19th century property. The linked newspaper source, New Britain Herald, is a major Connecticut publication. The New York Law Journal source is a well respected legal publication known nationally. The ABA Student Lawyer Magazine source is not a student run paper but rather a national magazine produced by the American Bar Association. Wikipedia is great in that you can find obscure info on subjects not found anywhere else. A law firm that practices law entirely in Polish in New England seems pretty notable as well as the notes on community activism.

When researching other law firm sites under this category, I have seen a significantly smaller threshold for what notability is. Many had no substantiated sources. I see no reason for deletion. The entry has significance. The NY Law Journal is a substantiated source. NY Times and Wall Street journal require registration and are considered valid sources. Why wouldn't the well respected NY Law Journal be considered. It is probably the leading legal publication of its kind in the United States.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.248.28.112 (talk • contribs) September 16 2007

Comment Notability must be substantiated with verifiable sources. The notability of the New York Law Journal is not in question, but it is a premium site. As mentioned earlier, premium sites "should not be linked unless the web site itself is the topic of the article." The article concerning the undergraduate activities of one of the partners does not mention the firm or offer any substantiation of the firm's notability...or, possibly, of the attorney's. It seems to be about a social club. There seems to be only one reliable source, which seems insufficient to satisfy the requirements of Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Note that the source in question doesn't even positively assert that the office is the only one that offers Polish--only that the individual interviewed believes it is. And it also doesn't assert that the law firm practices entirely in Polish. It says "the law office has one Polish-speaking attorney, Baron, and two Polish-speaking paralegals" and indicates that everyone else who works there is studying Polish. I agree that it's interesting that law office is reaching out to a different client base, but I'm not sure if it's notable. At any rate, I can't verify that it is. I looked to see if I could find further substantiation for the article and failed. I hope you'll have better luck. --Moonriddengirl 00:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, unless significantly more evidence of notability is produced. There are a number of issues with its sourcing. The first link is a wikilink, not a source. The second link is a small newspaper--may help support notability, but doesn't satisfy it alone. The third source, the pdf, is a primary source which only verifies the sale of land to an attorney; it doesn't substantiate anything in the article, and it doesn't verify notability. The fourth source is from a premium site and per WP:EL "should not be linked unless the web site itself is the topic of the article." (I don't know what it says; I didn't pay.) The final source is a student paper An American Bar Association magazine article about the undergraduate activities of one of the partners. A google search of the current firm name yields 7 hits, 2 of which are Wikipedia. "Podorowsky & Thompson" gets a good bit more, but it shrinks to 31 distinct, and most of those are advertising sites. (this html version of a pdf file mentions one of the partners; this one confirms the sale of the land). The earliest name hits only Wikipedia. --Moonriddengirl 20:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - per above. Possibly speedy. --Pekaje 20:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete for the reasons outlined by Moonriddengirl --Fabrictramp 21:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

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