Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Player hater

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Player hater

Neologism with one unconfirmed citation and thoroughly unclear notability. Delete or transwiki if properly documented. --Nlu (talk) 16:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep You are obviously unfamiliar with American culture if you have never heard of this term before. That is the purpose of Wikipedia, to teach people about cultural phenomena. As usual, you are too quick to delete again. --DougHolton
• Neutral It's a common term, usually spelled "Playa Hater", often shortened to just "Hater" ("Don't be a hater!", "Hate the game, not the player!"). The fact that my white, post-Mormon, middle aged ass has heard it should say something. Nevertheless, I'm not sure this is the right place for it. - Richfife 16:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep It's a pretty prevalent expression. 39,000 ghits for "playa hater" 91,700 for "player hater." Also the title of a song by The Notorious B.I.G.. I'm looking for some cites in the Ghits. Dina 17:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I put 3 cites on the talk page (can't do much more at the moment.) The Ebony article and the NY Times article look like good sources to me. Dina 18:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep, but Rename As much as I despise this term, its very common. I have heard it many times both in my hometown in Illinois and here in Denver where I live, and its certainly common on rap albums and TV. May need more sources and should be renamed "Playa Hata" or "Playa Hater." --The Way 19:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Widespread or not, WP:WINAD, people. Sandstein 20:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment I don't believe this violated WP:WINAD because, aside from having a definition, the term 'playa hater' also has cultural significance and implications that could be drawn out. --The Way 22:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per sources mentioned by Dina. I'm not big into hip-hop culture, but even I know this term. The sources mentioned by Dina are good. Mitaphane _talk 20:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Encyclopedia article is very necessary, move to Playa hata.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Spunky Toffee (talk • contribs)
• FYI - User 70.232.62.149 has removed the AfD notice from the page under discussion. —141.156.240.102 (talk|contribs) 07:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Obvious keep per above. --badlydrawnjeff talk 10:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not Wiktionary. --Improv 14:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Obvious delete. The article here is not about "playa hatas", who they are, but it is about the word and its usage, hence wiktionary is its place. Please don't forget that there are various places to store various information, dictionaries, thesauruses, garbage bins... `'mikkanarxi 00:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment Well, the article as it stands may be more of a dicdef, but I think a keep is in order if there is more to say about the word than a 2 line definition. This NY Times piece about the cultural "phenomenon" that is "playa hating" (what a weird sentence to write) seems to indicate to me that there is more to say. Furthermore, I see the potential for useful links into this article from other articles about rap culture. It is a cultural reference as well as a word. Not my personal culture, which is why a well-written WP article would be helpful should I encounter the concept within WP or elsewhere. Dina 12:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I think that we need more articles about subcultures and social realities that general public does not come across very often. It adds to Wiki's diversity. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 13:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment Yeah, and it would be great if it were linked to something besides user talk pages and a dozen redirects from different spellings. <sigh!> —141.156.240.102 (talk|contribs) 15:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.