Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PlayNOW!

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mailer Diablo 17:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PlayNOW!

I came upon this article when reverting vandalism on it and later being asked to protect it due to lame edit warring. However, the whole site seems to fail WP:WEB with flying colours, with an alexa rank of over 1,000,000. It currently consists of a forum with around 1000 members, with no mentions of media attention or any other claim of notability. (Delete) - Bobet 13:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Also delete Kreuger Industrial Smoothing and Vandalay Industries. AdamBiswanger1 13:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, and if there was a WP:WHOCARES it would be worth citing too. Far more of the article concerns the infighting and disputes within this unremarkable forum than what this site is about; of interest to the board's partisans and enemies, such as they are, but not otherwise to any other human being. RGTraynor 16:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete -PresN 19:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Just another games forum. DJ Clayworth 21:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Longhair 21:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete because who cares (per RGTraynor :D) Danny Lilithborne 21:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per all the reasons above. --Roisterer 01:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:WEB. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 03:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. There seem to be some mentions of this in the media. Capitalistroadster 03:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Seem to be? If there are, do you have any sources for the same? RGTraynor 05:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Deltabeignet 01:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep (and clean up). Because who cares about Something Awful Forums, Slig, Granitehill Lake Water Aerodrome, and the countless other seemingly useless pieces of information that Wikipedia contains?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.122.201.181 (talk • contribs) .
• Keep (anc clean up). Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. This means you don't editorialize based on the interest of the content. I'll leave my official policy reasoning below --Talez 08:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Heavy Metal Cellist^talk_contribs
• Keep (and clean up). PlayNOW! is certainly notable in Australia, has been reported on in the media (news.com.au, Hyper magazine), and was also a default website in Australia's Internet Explorer, meaning it's familiar to many many people. The site used to be more than just a forum, so a record of its history is definitely relevant in Wikipedia, just the crap about the forum needs to be cleaned up and protected to stop the ridiculous flame war. --Vision4bg 04:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reasons for Keeping

[edit] From WINP

There is no reason why there shouldn't be a page for every Simpsons character, and even a table listing every episode, all neatly cross-linked and introduced by a shorter central page. Every episode name in the list could link to a separate page for each of those episodes, with links to reviews and trivia. Each of the 100+ poker games can have its own page with rules, history, and strategy. Jimbo Wales has agreed: Hard disks are cheap.

[edit] From WWIN

Internet guides - Wikipedia articles should not exist only to describe the nature, appearance or services a website offers, but should describe the site in an encyclopedic manner, offering detail on a website's achievements, impact or historical significance, which can be significantly more up-to-date than most reference sources since we can incorporate new developments and facts as they are made known. See current events for examples.

This article satisfies those conditions for exclusion from the WWIN list. The PlayNOW! article described:

• That it was included as part of Microsoft's Windows 98 push strategy.
• That it was one of the biggest Australian gaming forums around
• As far as Australian gaming discussion PlayNOW! certainly had both positive and negative aspects on the landscape.
• Efforts were made to try and edit it into a more encylopedic language. Apart from a whole heap of NPOV issues this was mainly being met.

[edit] Regarding the speedy deletion request

If we could just get past the pettyness of certain members who continue to vandalise valuable contributions to the project, there is much history to be added. I am somewhat new to this whole Wikipedia article writing thing, but it's fairly obvious to me that something needs to be done about the person who keeps deleting whole swathes of information, and replaces it with somewhat incoherent ramble.

The history of the site pre-hackings needs to be expanded somewhat, including describing just how large a portal it was for the Australian gaming community, and the sorts of competitions it ran, etc. We do not wish this site to be lost to the annals of time in such a poor fashion.

Certainly, it may not be notable at all to foreigners, but proposing that it be deleted purely because "nobody cares" is a bit rich. Who cares about a lot of the stuff that Wikipedia has in it? Clikc the 'random article' link a few times, and you'll find something that's even less care-worthy to your average person than the history of PlayNOW! Funktronic2010

If you feel the subject is notable, please edit the article to reflect this. There are no mentions of any influence beyond its relatively small userbase, no links to any articles on any media that mention it (I tried to look but didn't find any). If the history of PlayNOW! is as interesting as you say it is, please write that in the article. - Bobet 09:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I fully intend to when I have the time, but I don't want my contributions deleted by the vengeful administrator of the site in question. Even if he only edits it, he simply cannot maintain a NPOV, and has (going by the article history) no skills whatsoever in constructing and/or maintaining a coherent paragraph of text. --Funktronic2010

...and just to demonstrate what we are having to deal with here, he's editing what people are saying on this article's Talk Page! He's an unregistered member with the IP 220.233.73.139 atm --Funktronic2010 12:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.