Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pizza Port
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep.--Fuhghettaboutit 00:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pizza Port
I do not believe a small pizza chain with three locations is appropriate for Wikipedia, absent some other show of notability FrozenPurpleCube 16:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- keep Appears to be notable for its brewery, which has produced award-winning ales. See general results [1] and [2]. How can we delete an article on "one of the Top 50 Places to Have a Beer in America"? --W.marsh 17:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Appears to have won 5 first-place awards at the World Beer Cup, noted that in the article too. --W.marsh 17:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it doesn't help that that information wasn't in the article. But as far as it goes, I would not say Beeradvocate.com is a convincing benchmark as they aren't quite a Zagat's from what I can tell. And Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer has had some problems with the site as well. I'm also dubious of the value of an award from the World Beer Cup as well, since the page indicates they have awards in 85 categories. FrozenPurpleCube 17:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Too bad the Wikiproject hasn't formulated a notability standard for breweries. I can't even tell if they're working on it. FrozenPurpleCube 17:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- At a glance, the WBC does seem rather industry-geared, with so many categories, but the same could be said of the Grammies. I think it's a notable award for a brewer to win... especially 5 times... I'd heard of this award on television several times, and it gets a respectable number of news results [3]. --W.marsh 17:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I would say most Grammy-award winners have sufficient notability outside the award to the extent that the Grammy-award is a non-factor in their having an article, and for those that don't, I would not say that every person or song that has won a Grammy should have an article as such, though at least the Grammy Awards get on primetime television, the World Beer Cup does not. FrozenPurpleCube 17:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, by that token, how many Microbreweries get on primetime in the first place? None. It's all relative, a microbrewery winning (as far as I can tell) the most notable award for breweries/microbreweries must be notable amongst microbreweries. I know none of the (several) microbreweries in my neighborhood have won an award, let alone a dozen, at this level. As for your other point, that's where the news results come in... a lot of verifiable information can be found in them. So we can write an acceptable article from that. --W.marsh 17:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- The thing is, restaurants get coverage in papers fairly often. I just see a lot of trivial coverage and brief mentions by local papers, not one in-depth article I'd consider especially appropriate to establishing notability. And absent any kind of benchmark or standard, I'm just not convinced this brewery is different from any of the other breweries in the world just by winning this dubiously notable award. I'm honestly not sure about the whole Category:Microbreweries, as a look at a random sampling of the articles didn't find me many I'd keep. FrozenPurpleCube 18:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, by that token, how many Microbreweries get on primetime in the first place? None. It's all relative, a microbrewery winning (as far as I can tell) the most notable award for breweries/microbreweries must be notable amongst microbreweries. I know none of the (several) microbreweries in my neighborhood have won an award, let alone a dozen, at this level. As for your other point, that's where the news results come in... a lot of verifiable information can be found in them. So we can write an acceptable article from that. --W.marsh 17:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I would say most Grammy-award winners have sufficient notability outside the award to the extent that the Grammy-award is a non-factor in their having an article, and for those that don't, I would not say that every person or song that has won a Grammy should have an article as such, though at least the Grammy Awards get on primetime television, the World Beer Cup does not. FrozenPurpleCube 17:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- At a glance, the WBC does seem rather industry-geared, with so many categories, but the same could be said of the Grammies. I think it's a notable award for a brewer to win... especially 5 times... I'd heard of this award on television several times, and it gets a respectable number of news results [3]. --W.marsh 17:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Appears to have won 5 first-place awards at the World Beer Cup, noted that in the article too. --W.marsh 17:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep per the notable brewskies. Such claims should bein the article with reliable sourcing. Edison 18:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep as modified. They're middlebrow awards but they are notability. --Dhartung | Talk 18:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
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