Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pitfight Team

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, no consensus. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 16:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pitfight Team

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No sources and no information; practically a blank page with little notability short of a trainer and former champion fighter Thesaddestday 03:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Weak keep - After the changes made to the article it now has content. The numerous third-party sources help with notability, though it needs more help. Thesaddestday 00:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• This article is nowhere close to complete. The sources and information will come as soon as I can find them. I want these team pages to eventually look like every other team page on Wikipedia but this will take time and I am taking it step by step. Please allow me the time to finish them. Unak78 04:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - Contentless page that doesn't assert notability. Please fully write articles before submitting them. Giggy ^Talk 05:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

  Still delete - Despite sources and whatnot added, the article still doesn't appear to be notable enough for Wikipedia standards. Giggy ^Talk 22:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Even as an advertisement, which this appears to be, this wouldn't be compelling. As an encyclopaedia article it fails badly. Jakew 12:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. In response to User:Unak78, please remember that we're not necessarily judging your article on it's current state of completion, but on the overall notability of the topic. It does not appear (to me anyway) that the topic is notable enough per the above policy to be included here. Please read the policy carefully and make changes to the article if you feel it can be made to meet those standards. Thank you. Bullzeye ^{(Complaint Dept./Brilliant Acts)} 15:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete WP is not the place for entries about local businesses with limited notability outside the local community Corpx 16:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

• Here are some links from reputable sports and news souces to show that this one of several broad-based and professional Mixed Martial Arts associations linked with organizations like the UFC, Pride FC, or WEC
• Iceman.com, One of the articles on Chuck Liddell's website
• Sherdog.comLiddells fight finder profile on Sherdog.com which lists him as a Pit fighter under Association.
• ESPN's MMA page ESPN's affiliation with Sherdog.com Unak78 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

• CBS Sportsline- 'Iceman' looking to avenge loss to Jackson in '03 Here is an article on CBS Sportsline which references Chuck Liddell and John Hackleman preceding Liddell's matchup Quinton "Rampage" Jackson in UFC 71 .
• ESPN Page 2- This guy scares you? ESPN Page 2 preceding UFC 71. This article is written by ESPN columnist Allison Glock for ESPN The Magazine references both the Pit and Hackleman to Chuck Liddell
• Sports Illustrated.com-Ultimate Regimen: A fighting champion gets intense Sports Illustrated article referencing Chuck Liddells training regimen. John Hackman is referenced in this article as well.
• UFC.com- Hackleman Keeps It Old School for Liddell
• The Boston Herald- UFC notebook: Liddell, Ortiz truckin’ on ‘Route 66’Unak78 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
• MMA Weekly- TRAINER SAYS CHUCK IS "ON HIS GAME Unak78 21:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
• Yahoo Canada article on new reality show covering the training of Pit team member and WEC fighter Antonio Buenellos Unak78 22:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• Weak keep Although notablility is not inherited, the third-party sources provided make me lean towards a keep. The article needs serious help though.  east.718 at 17:54, August 21, 2007 
• Keep The article appears to be in substantially different form from when it was nominated. While it needs work, it's sourced and cited, and if it sticks around, it will improve even more. Gnfnrf 05:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Re-written since nom, expanded and sourced. Notable topic, a well known fighter is based there & others have used it to train pre-fight. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 08:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of martial arts-related deletions. -- Nate1481( ^t/_c) 09:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep There are third party sources from reliable publications, however they refer to it as "The Pit", so renaming the article may be one place where it could be improved. Mixed Martial Artists rely heavily on thier teams and promote their teams when they fight. The styles and techniques of many fighters can be accredited to one team in most instances, so merging is not an option. The teams are also immediately notable to those who spend time viewing the sport through the media of television. But television references are more difficult to reference on short notice for this discussion (although WP states that all forms of media are eligible to establish notability) , so we can utilize sites like ESPN, SI.com, etc who do provide articles and information on the various training camps. Granted, while I admit that the article needs work, this is an argument for cleanup, not deletion. Unak78 10:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.