Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Piss Koran

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The result of the debate was delete. — Trilobite (Talk) 15:35, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Piss Koran

There is a Piss Christ, but as far as I see a Qu'ran version does not exist: verify or delete --Doc (?) 23:20, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - Piss Christ is at least a work of some notoriety. "Piss Koran," if it even exists, is not. Schmeitgeist 23:24, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
• Almost certainly a sarcastic reference to current affairs. See Wikinews:Bush Administration changes official position on legitimacy of Qur'an desecration allegations. Delete. Uncle G 23:37, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)
• Delete. Not verifiable. If indeed it was a existing artwork, the artist would presumably not be "unkown" and be extremely controversial. Capitalistroadster 02:14, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I believe it's real and breaking news. Flatbush 22:34, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Another pathetic move by know nothing anti-Islamic editors.--Anonymous editor 04:00, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete for now. Even if this were "real and breaking news", WP is not a news site. Notability takes time. Jeeves 04:51, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Neologism, at best. -- BD2412 ^talk 20:32, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)
• Keep. I've made some changes, and (I hope) improvements. Googling yields numerous entries, and, if nothing else, Piss Koran was at the very least something of an internet phenomenon (many of which have entries on Wikipedia). Babajobu 20:43, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment - the clean-up is good - but my issues are 1) verifiability 2) notability - can you answer those??
    • Seems notable to me. Piss Christ and the attendant controversy received a great deal of media attention, and it's seen by many (particularly angry Christians) as a major moment in the Red America/Blue America slagging match. Piss Koran seems to be part of that ongoing slagging match. Certainly more notable than a thousand other Wikipedia articles. As for verifiability, Piss Koran is clearly verifiable as a concept: the echo or rhetorical "answer" to Piss Christ that many Christians (at least many online) viewed as a challenge to liberals and/or non-Christians to be consistent in their defense of artistic freedoms. If the actual photograph cannot be found/verified, I think this would not require the article to be deleted, but rather rewritten as describing a concept discussed and envisaged by some Christians as a response to Piss Christ. Babajobu 23:38, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• If there is no actual photograph, but this is a concept in debate over Piss Christ, I'd suggest a merge with that article --Doc (?) 08:33, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • That sounds reasonable to me. Babajobu 14:15, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Added a note to talkpage of Piss Christ suggesting merge and requesting feedback. Will wait a few days and see if there is any feedback. Babajobu 15:49, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• On reflection I'm going to suggest that we don't merge. This article is not about the concept of a Piss Koran, it is about an actual artwork, the existence of which no-one has verified. Delete this - if the concept is impotant in debate then that can be discussed as a 'reactions' section in the Piss Christ article. --Doc (?) 16:01, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • That's fine, it amounts to much the same thing. Appending the material from the present Piss Koran to a new "reactions" section at the end of the Piss Christ would amount to much the same thing as a merge, wouldn't it? Anyway, as I said, I think that's a reasonable solution if no one can produce the actual photograph. Babajobu 16:08, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Almost - we can't 'append the material' for copyright reasons. We can't cut and paste. But you can discuss the same matter (in your own words) elsewhere. --Doc (?) 16:15, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Okay. I'll do that if/after Piss Koran is deleted. Babajobu 16:18, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. It's a pisstake. Grace Note 06:33, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. john k 15:33, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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