Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phill Ryu
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 04:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Phill Ryu
Does not meet WP:BIO, non-notable, no references, also has POV problems. — Wackymacs 11:17, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, although what he did might have given him media coverage that would make him notable, none of these are present in the current article. And before someone pops up in here and chimes "speedy delete CSD A7, tagged as such": no, this does not qualify for CSD A7. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 11:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Ah, good man. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 14:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, I can see no reason that Wikipedia would need an article on this guy. RedNitrogen 16:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete: not notable. at most deserves 2 sentences for media coverage, but probably not even. There are hundreds of other reactionary Mac bloggers (and even some sensible ones) like Ryu, many of whom get a couple newspaper mentions now and then. --jacobolus (t) 03:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per [1], the notability bar on Wikipedia is quite low and an accomplished person like this one who has garnered the support of powerful people in this field can have an article with no harm done. — GT 02:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Woz is supporting a site Phill made, not Phill himself. Also, I don't believe everything Woz supports instantly becomes notable for Wikipedia. Take a good look at WP:BIO again. — Wackymacs 07:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Might I suggest you take your own advice? WP:BIO is not a notability policy, and it explicitly states that failure to meet the criteria listed on that page is not itself a valid grounds for deletion. — GT 19:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Notability (people) is a notability criteria guideline for Wikipedia. This article doesn't meet any of the criteria suggested there. — Wackymacs 19:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'll try again.
- This guideline is not Wikipedia policy...
- Failure to meet these criteria does not mean that a subject must not be included
- This is not intended to be an exclusionary list; just because someone doesn't fall into one of these categories doesn't mean an article on the person should automatically be deleted.
- Thus, WP:BIO is not itself a grounds for deletion; the subject is indeed notable (unless you feel it is ordinary for people to start contests and websites that carry the support of several high profile people in the industry); lack of references and POV problems are content issues that are reasons for cleanup, not deletion. This dispells all 4 items in your nom statement. — GT 20:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- The guy runs a blog and a website where people submit software ideas. Millions upon millions of other people run websites in the world (and millions write blogs). Nothing makes this guy note worthy in an encyclopedia at the moment. Oh and...I believe guidelines are there to be used, otherwise there's no point in them. On the fact he's got "high profile" people supporting his small website, well...those people support many things, most of which haven't got articles on Wikipedia at the moment. Just because they support something doesn't mean its instantly notable, there's many other factors to notability as well. — Wackymacs 20:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Millions of people write blogs, but millions of people do not write blogs that are in the top 0.01% of all blogs by traffic. And millions of people do not operate popular websites which have brought together the combined efforts of over forty of the sharpest minds in the Mac industry, including the founder of Apple himself. And whether you want to call it renown or notoriety, millions of people have not achieved a large measure of celebrity within the extremely fast-growing Mac community. Phill Ryu has accomplished unusual and notable feats, especially given his relatively young age. I don't know why people keep claiming that Ryu does not meet Wikipedia's standard for notability; even without throwing in his Apple awards and other businesses, there is not a single other person in the world who comes close to matching Ryu's profile. S.w.hull 00:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Unusual and notable feats? Name them, with reliable sources from newspapers and books please. This sounds like your own opinion. Just because someone gets an Apple award that doesn't make them notable for an encyclopedia, that's one award. Let's look at the facts: Phill Ryu's site is the 58,478th most popular website in the world by traffic - however, compared to Macminute.com which ranks 32,757 - And the guy who runs MacMinute (Stan Flack) doesn't have an article, even though he runs a more popular site. As for phill's other website, Alexa.com hasn't even got traffic data for it...that's explains the popularity of that one! — Wackymacs 07:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Millions of people write blogs, but millions of people do not write blogs that are in the top 0.01% of all blogs by traffic. And millions of people do not operate popular websites which have brought together the combined efforts of over forty of the sharpest minds in the Mac industry, including the founder of Apple himself. And whether you want to call it renown or notoriety, millions of people have not achieved a large measure of celebrity within the extremely fast-growing Mac community. Phill Ryu has accomplished unusual and notable feats, especially given his relatively young age. I don't know why people keep claiming that Ryu does not meet Wikipedia's standard for notability; even without throwing in his Apple awards and other businesses, there is not a single other person in the world who comes close to matching Ryu's profile. S.w.hull 00:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- The guy runs a blog and a website where people submit software ideas. Millions upon millions of other people run websites in the world (and millions write blogs). Nothing makes this guy note worthy in an encyclopedia at the moment. Oh and...I believe guidelines are there to be used, otherwise there's no point in them. On the fact he's got "high profile" people supporting his small website, well...those people support many things, most of which haven't got articles on Wikipedia at the moment. Just because they support something doesn't mean its instantly notable, there's many other factors to notability as well. — Wackymacs 20:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'll try again.
- Wikipedia:Notability (people) is a notability criteria guideline for Wikipedia. This article doesn't meet any of the criteria suggested there. — Wackymacs 19:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Might I suggest you take your own advice? WP:BIO is not a notability policy, and it explicitly states that failure to meet the criteria listed on that page is not itself a valid grounds for deletion. — GT 19:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as per the nomination, a brief bit of limelight hardly qualifies for an article in WP. pbones 15:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
