Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philie T

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The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Philie T

Self promotion, even going so far as to call himself an "accomplished internet troll", giving away a drop of motive. 123 hits for "Philie T" and 12 for "Philie T" + Rap makes me think nn. Delete Usrnme h8er 12:38, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per submitter. Can't find anything that verifies any of the rave reviews supposedly received from popular music magazines. --GraemeL 13:11, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep He was mentioned on the Respect List of Aphex Twin's "51/13 Aphex Singles Collection", and is known to be associated with the Jenkinson brothers (notably Squarepusher and Ceephax). --Easterlingman 13:15, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Note - Easterlingman has a total of about 30 edits. -- BD2412 ^talk 14:04, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
    • Does my number of edits make the information I post less factual?
• Delete I'm not really convinced he passes WP:MUSIC or any other test for notability. CanadianCaesar 13:17, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notability, probably self-promotion. Can't find any links to his music and suspect "rave reviews" don't exist. "Known to be associated with" relatively unknown people doesn't mean anything. My mom went to school with Catherine O'Hara but she doesn't get an entry because of it... Marskell 13:24, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep He actively worked with (Squarepusher and Ceephax) as a filmmaker. Not self promotion. This article wasn't written by the subject. The motivation is expansion on the Ceephax Acid Crew article (notable Acid house producer) as he has acted in movies by Phil Thompson. Thanks for criticism, article revised. Please don't shoot down articles because you never heard of someone well known in his genre. WP:MUSIC is merely a guide to strengthen the quality of articles, not a reason to delete something. Thanks! Joyrex 13:59, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Note - Joyrex's third edit. -- BD2412 ^talk 14:01, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
    • Like Easterlingman says: Does my number of edits make the information I post less factual?Joyrex 14:11, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Philie T is known to the IDM community (WATMM is a good example). He worked with people like Squarepusher and Ceephax as a filmmaker, and other Chelmsford artists included Cassette Boy. He'll never be in the top 100 music chart, because he's an underground artist, and he gives his art away for free on www.philiet.co.uk I don't believe for a second that wikipedia's hard drives will crash and burn by adding an article about an underground artist who is well known in IDM circles. This article is an expansion from the Ceephax Acid Crew article. Had to mention his starring in Philie T's films, Philie T is well known to the IDM community. Why not add an article about him? Because he's not Britney Spears or AC/DC. Pff. Joyrex 15:24, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. -- BD2412 ^talk 14:05, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
  • He made films with famous artists from Warp Records. This is notable to the IDM community. Of course you and your granny never heard of Aphex Twin. Joyrex 14:11, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Philie T's short films are among the best I have seen in recent years, and his work with Cassette Boy was outstanding. A vital and respected member of the underground IDM scene, his popularity will only grow. Keep your eye on him for sure. chaosmachine 14:27, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
  • [1]- CanadianCaesar 14:35, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
    • User chaosmachine has two edits, both to this vfd. Usrnme h8er 14:37, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
      • Yes, in fact I signed up just vote on this. As a member of the IDM community, and someone who's enjoyed Philie T's work over the years, I felt I'd show my support. Thanks for the welcome. Chaosmachine 14:40, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
      • Amount of edits is irrelevant to his words. Your rhetorical technique exposed. Knock it off. Joyrex 14:42, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete until more information about this guy appears. "Philie T"+"Aphex Twin" garners a few google hits, all from either wiki mirrors or newsgroup posts by "Philie T" himself. He may be mad awesome, but the information in the article is currently 100% unverifiable. If we include him as someone garnering shoutouts from Aphex Twin, we will also have to include "Gentle John, Cylob Industries, Grant and Jen, Mike D, ...???... Captain ???, Lorna and Derek, Tennyson and Dali, ??? and Deanne, The Gentle People, Steve and Jen. Special thanks to Jeffrey Dahmer and Albert Fish, Leila, TAN one hundred and nine, Debbie, Rob and Steve, Stuart, Mike and Neil, ??? and his dogs next door. ...???... Vulva, Rhysa, Philie-T, Maurice and Gwen." Sdedeo 14:42, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Actually several of those already have articles... they're just the real names of people who put out media under made up names. Mike P is mu-ziq, Mike D is Mike Dred or Kosmik Kommando, cylob is chris jeffs on aphex twin's rephlex label, lorna and derek are his siblings I believe, the gentle people have releases on rephlex, etc--Easterlingman 15:10, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Hmm... We do have articles for Jeffrey Dahmer and Albert Fish but I think they are famous for other reasons... Usrnme h8er 15:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Clear delete; please ignore puppets from the voting! (amended to incl. my signature. oops.) Dottore So 14:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • and women, and blacks for that matter. and anyone left handed, or shorter than 5 foot 4.
    • Last charming remark by User:Chaosmachine, defending the rights of sockpuppets everywhere. CanadianCaesar 14:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
      • thanks for the insult, friend. it's ok, i understand what kind of a community this is now. enjoy yourselves, and goodbye. Chaosmachine 14:55, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
      • It's similar to alt.config, shooting things down, unhelpful to newbies. Also it's different in reality to the friendly spirit shown on the front page and in press articles.Joyrex 15:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - seems legitimate. Trollderella 15:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, nn, more trolling from Trollderella. Zoe 19:42, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - for all the reasons already stated above. -Satori 15:46, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • So it's okay to make an inappropriate comment towards a new user, but not one that has a few edits under his or her belt? --Easterlingman 16:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete; non-notable. Jaxl | talk 17:08, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete and I've heard, let alone heard of Aphex Twin. Sorry. Tonywalton  | Talk 17:25, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Abstain (I haven't a clue about this fellow) but comment. For those who don't know: the VfD procedure theoretically involves the WikiPedia community taking a look at a page which may be borderline (clear deletes are marked as "speedy"), and voting on whether it should remain in an encyclopædia or not. As such, the votes of anonymous users who happened to breeze in, or fans of the subject of an article recruited to WikiPedia solely so that they can vote against its deletion, are naturally not considered as important as those of regular 'pedians. Indeed, the practice of rounding up one's friends and getting them to cast a vote on a website that otherwise holds no interest for them is considered quite rude; it's called "sock puppeteering", a term that originated on USENET, associated with fraudulent or anti-social behaviour. That is why all y'all new users haven't been greeted in the warmest of terms. That said, um ... welcome! I hope you stick around and make a greater contribution to this encyclopædia than a single, discountable vote. If you do, believe me, your opinion will start to matter at last. --fuddlemark 17:28, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Comment Joyrex et al do have a point. Remember WP:Bite and let's keep this at least minimally civil. Tonywalton  | Talk 17:33, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless some verifiable evidence of compliance with WP:Music such as the release of albums, touring etc. The stuff we have been told would establish him as an interesting person but not a notable person as yet. Capitalistroadster 21:38, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. —Charles O'Rourke 23:13, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable. Nandesuka 23:57, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable. --*drew 07:09, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable, sockpuppets galore. Xoloz 20:05, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Comment I asked forum.watmm.com to come here and comment. Easterlingman uses Wikipedia since before, and is a genuine guy. Chaosmachine is a seperate guy, but still classed as sockpuppet. Apologies for ruding Wikipedia from me. Sorry about that. I edited the article now to make it a bit better. Can't improve it much more myself. Philie T's notability comes from his link to Ceephax (by making films with him) and his high up friends in British IDM. He will never be in the top 100 pop chart, because his ethic is to give away music for free in mp3. There is too much about sockpuppets now to change anyone's mind, but I will try and make the article again in the future (coupled of months), because I think the present edit is not so bad as the original, and it shows Philie T's link to Ceephax Acid Crew, which is my motivation for writing the article (expanding knowledge of Ceephax's career, and noting things from the IDM community. Thanks, and sorry for the sockpuppet, it was wrong to do that. Joyrex 11:24, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

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