Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Petty ireland

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete Deville (Talk) 14:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Petty ireland

Apparently Lucy-marie made up a state in Ireland so that Image:Petty.gif can be used in an article and won't be deleted as an orphaned fair use image. Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 14:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

please follow this link as it a database of from places aroound the world and petty is mentioned as a place in Ireland http://www.heraldry.ws/p/index3.html --Lucy-marie 14:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't say anywhere on that site that it's a state in Ireland though... --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 14:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

That's a list of family names. Petty is not a state in Ireland.   Keithology  Talk!  14:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok then i have been mistaken it is the coat of arms of a family in Ireland and not a state in Ireland i will edit that then.--Lucy-marie 14:36, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete OK, it's a family name. And...? -- Kicking222 14:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Serves no purpose as an article.   Keithology  Talk!  14:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Still Delete; probably even qualifies for speedy deletion (WP:CSD#A7) now. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 14:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Merge I have changed my mind delete the page but incorporate the image with William Petty as it was his family's coat of arms. If that is done please go ahead and delete the page.--Lucy-marie 15:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Conditional Keep—There certainly is such a place in Ireland (see the William Petty article and articles on his relatives mention of Petty estates, which comprises a geographic area noteworthy by Wiki practice). However putting an article up with no further information than a coat of arms is inappropriate. So my vote of keep is conditioned on adding enough substance to the article to allow us to figure out on a map where Petty is; after all we are an encyclopedia. Williamborg (Bill) 15:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

  Comment, there is no place in Ireland called Petty. Petty estates merely refers to land and property owned by the Petty family. Nuttah68 15:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• changed to conditional keep same reasons as above but now that image has ben deleted the only condition of my delteion has been blown out of the water i think that it was inapropriate for the removal of the Image.--Lucy-marie 15:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment The image wasn't deleted, I just removed it from a couple of user pages per WP:FUC #9. It is still used in this article. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 15:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Seems the image (heraldry) is appropriate if linked to the Petty family—which one must suspect it is. If you can establish this, and if there isn't a copyright violation in using the image (probably not if it is old enough) then you can restore the image. Williamborg (Bill) 15:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. The heraldry belongs on the appropriate article. Other than that this in a non entity as articles go. Nuttah68 15:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete useless article. Pathlessdesert 17:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete. The article I saw had been blanked by its original creator, with no other edits. No opinion yet as to whether it is worth re-creation. FWIW, I question whether heraldic images assembled from traditional public domain elements can be copyrighted. - Smerdis of Tlön 19:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment While the coat-of-arms in question was used by Charles Petty, 1st Baron Shelburne, Henry Petty, 1st Earl of Shelburne and John Petty, 1st Earl of Shelburne, the Marquesses of Lansdowne did not use it alone, but quartered it with their paternal arms of Fitzmaurice. Choess 20:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.