Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Guidi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. --Canley (talk) 12:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Guidi

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Resumecruft with barely an assertion of notability. The only thing that comes close to notability are the jazz festivals he played at. it:Umbria Jazz is a notable festival, and it:Pescara Jazz is probably notable. I'm not sure about the other two, Ivrea and Aosta. All in all, I'm not sure this person meets WP:MUSIC, so as it stands, I think this article should be deleted. Aecis^Brievenbus 22:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Weak keep Benefit of the doubt, on indeed notability. Google gives about 6000 hits on "Peter Guidi" (parenthesis included in search), and at least 2 of his CD's are availabe through international webshops (Amazon). Arnoutf (talk) 23:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- -- pb30<talk> 02:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• It is less his musical achievements as a player which warrant his inclusion than his teaching - bringing jazz to a new and very young generation of players. His bands - dating back to the 1990s - have already yielded several significant new young Dutch jazz performers, such as Jan Menu and Benjamin Herman. BTW - sorry - but I have no idea how this formatting works :( -- mcleaver<talk> 08:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
  • The problem is that teaching jazz to young people does not make someone notable. It would only make him notable if it involves truly notable musicians, if his role in their development was vital, and if this has been established by reliable sources. Something along the lines of Colonel Tom Parker. If teaching non-notable and barely notable musicians is more important to his notability than his musical achievements, as you say, I'm afraid not much remains. Aecis^Brievenbus 21:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable person. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. I prefer erring on the side of inclusion in borderline cases. Powers ^T 23:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
  • It is a borderline case if there is some assertion of notability, if the discussion is about the extent to which the subject meets WP:MUSIC. The author has admitted himself that what might have met WP:MUSIC (his musical achievements) is less important than what doesn't meet WP:MUSIC (being a teacher). Then how is this a borderline case? Aecis^Brievenbus 13:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Because I believe that his musical achievements are sufficient to establish a modicum of notability; that the article's author believes his educational and outreach efforts are even more notable does not erase that. Powers ^T 15:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
      • But what are those musical achievements? Playing at the jazz festivals I mentioned in the nom? Playing with "many leading jazz musicians" (who are they?) ? Aecis^Brievenbus 22:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
        • I believe Arnoutf covered it sufficiently, why not go bother him? =) Powers ^T 00:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
          • WHen it comes to achievements, I have not yet added the fact that his bands have won a large number of awards. I shall do so right now. :) -- mcleaver<talk> 08:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.