Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pete's Eats Cafe

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pete's Eats Cafe

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Non-notable (or locally-notable) cafe. Article provides no references other than the cafe's website, explains no claim to notability. Mikeblas 14:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

• keep - notable throughout british climbing William M. Connolley 21:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

• Keep, per William M. Connolley, but it needs references. There has to be some in British Climbing journals or magazines. --Bduke 12:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
• weak keep Per above assuming notability, but I don't see it well asserted. It looks like there should be sources available, so I say where is the harm? --Kevin Murray 22:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete I can't see anything that makes this any different to 10,000 other caffs. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 00:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy delete CSD A7 - fails to assert the notability of its subject. "It's a popular cafe" Is that it? Also, blatant excuse for an advert as well; "Food orders are normally quite quick, 10 minutes even when the cafe is full"... "a place to enjoy hearty carb fare". Crazysuit 01:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Indeed; if we remove the POV, we're left with very little content at all. -- Mikeblas 04:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
• keep per William M. Connolley. Obviously it needs proper references as Bduke says, but here for example, it is notable enough to be mentioned in a one-paragraph summary as the main focus of the climbing scene in North Wales. Mrabbits 22:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment - a couple of mentions from The Guardian: [1] ("one of the most famous mountaineering hangouts in Britain"), [2] ("another Snowdonia legend"), [3] ("If you want to experience climbing culture at first hand"). These are obviously only mentioning the place in passing, but I think they suggest some kind of notability within the climbing world. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrabbits (talk • contribs) 16:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

• Keep per William M. Connolley and Mrabbits. References show it is "notable" in the rock-climbing world. --Oakshade 06:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment Which references? The one that says "many climbers stop off here for a mug of tea", or the one that's from their own website? Sorry, but that's not multiple independent non-trivial sources; I can find just as much coverage of my local (totally non-notable) transport cafe. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 11:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Quote from The Guardian: "Just down the road at Pete's Eats, one of the most famous mountaineering hangouts in Britain..."[4] That reference. --Oakshade 01:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC) (see correct link here --Oakshade 02:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC))

The only reference I can find in your link is "But I don't have much time, so instead opt for a cup of tea at Pete's Eats, another Snowdonia legend". If you have that link add it to the article. --Bduke 01:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Whoops! Wrong Guardian link. see this one. 12th paragraph down. Thanks for pointing that out, Bduke. --Oakshade 02:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per the commenters above, notable to the climbing community plus reliable sources is sufficient for inclusion. Yamaguchi先生 01:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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