Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pet duel

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was SPEEDILY DELETED as vandalism. Take it to Uncyclopedia, but do be careful to be funny and not just stupid. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pet duel

Non notable event, possible hoax, can find no information on this alleged event. Prod removed by author. Wildthing61476 19:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Also nominated the very similar page PetDuel, created by the same editor. Mr Stephen 20:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC) Ah yes, sorry, that was a beginners mistake! Apologies!

I'm fairly certain that if you lived in Hampshire that this was a notable event. Of course, you may just not want to learn about other peoples cultures. This is only an encyclopaedia. It should only contain events that YOU personally witnessed.

First off be civil, secondly, do you have any prrof, any reliable sources to back this up? An event like this certainly should have gotten plenty of coverage correct? Wildthing61476 19:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I was indeed being civil, but I don't take kindly to being accused of lying. Slander is hardly a civil gesture is it, my good friend? This did indeed make the press, which is where my information for the article came. I have the articles from the local papers on the event, including adverts and entry forms. There were also three articles from the naitonal press, including a piece in Hampshire BBC news. I'm fairly certain you'll find no external sources for the Holocaust, but would you deny that occured?

• Comment Already invoking Godwin's Law are we? Look I searched on google in a variety of ways and came up with NOTHING. Can you possible show me a link or two of WHERE this was written about. If the BBC covered it then certianly they would have something to show for it correct? Wildthing61476 19:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• Then perhaps you'd be kind enough to supply the local papers names and publication dates. exolon 19:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The hampshire chronicle featured a monthly update on the debate, from 1994-1996. BBC Hampshire News covered the event on 6th March 1996. Local papers such as The Gazette, Mail & Star and the South of England Lawn Bowls Society newsleter covered the events in greater detail. I am happy to distribute scans of any of the articles, if not all! I think we should get off the debate on wether this occured, and instead refer back to the reason that this article is placed on this list; is it notable. This is a debate I would welcome, rather than a cowardly attack on my character. Thank you.

Never once have I attacked your character, I merely SUGGESTED that perhaps this is a hoax. Honestly, an event like this would have SOME press, even 10 years after the fact. 287 pets dying in a staged fight is pretty significant if it can be proven true. What we need is verification of this, which if you can supply, would help in making your case. We do not have to prove it is fake, YOU have to prove it is true. Wildthing61476 19:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. There is nothing to debate, really. If proper sources cannot be provided, the article will ultimately be deleted. Please see WP:V. PJM 20:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• DELETE. I do live in Hampshire, England and I've never heard of this. 287 animals killed at an illegal animal fight? Somehow I think that might just have made the local press somehow. This is complete rubbish. Hoax, unverifiable, no external sources - take your pick. exolon 19:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. A very amusing and well-written piece, but no background info. Good candidate for Uncyclopedia? DavidMack 19:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:V. PJM 19:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

DO NOT DELETE You are all fools, the internet is the not the source of all the world's information, 'i did a search on google and nothing came up, it must be fake!'. I am willing to give a first hand account of the both Pet Duel II and III. I used to reside at 45 Bagers Farm Road, a short drive from the Anchor Inn, to save you the trouble of verifying this address on google, I have posted a link to multi map. Although I do no condone blood sports, my neighbour was in truth was the owner of a small Staffordshire Pit-bull Terrier, which competed, sadly unsuccessfully, in Pet Duel III

• http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=445000&Y=127500&width=700&height=400&gride=446132.818520006&gridn=127466.570594357&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=freegaz&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=true&zm=0&in.x=5&in.y=9&scale=50000

Thanks P. Longhurst

• Comment The map though tells NOTHING if this is true or false. Again, proof please? Wildthing61476 20:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Not to mention that the "Anchor Inn"s I'm finding are in Southampton & Yateley and nowhere near there. exolon 20:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as complete fiction. Creating author Jamesr84 is also involved in defending the hoax Waspard article. Mr Stephen 20:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

KEEP yes that's why I'm sitting here eating waspard "tangy yet sweet" on a bun and watching my fave Video "80 minutes of animal carnage: The very best of Pet Duel". And the Anchor was closed down a few years ago sadly.--Mjenkins 20:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I wished to join the wikipedia community, and have recieved nothing but scorn. I wished to write a good article, and could not work out what to write about, until my dad's scrapbook reminded me of the silly competition that got out of hand in our pub. For your information, I used to live there, and despite my good friends efforts to the contrary, it is still open. http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/19/19971/Anchor_Inn/Lower_Froyle I would also like to know when commenting and participating actively in a public debate meant that anything that came out of your mouth is lies? What has me commenting about a seperate article got to do with my article? Is this because I disagreed with your point of view? To parody myself perhaps this reminds us all of a famous nation in the 1930s. I have the proof by the way, but as I am new I have yet to 1. Upload, 2. Reference. I was hoping with some sort of help in doing this, rather than damnation. Do I need to scan in the paper cuttings? Upload the photographs? Help would be nice, as I believe this is a very entertaining part of Hampshire's local history, and one that people should be aware of, as it shows how a small silly event can get out of hand. Much like National Socialism.

Comment Are you done using all the Nazi references yet? As for your proof, you've already had someone from your own town say it never happened. Wildthing61476 20

• 54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, my use of those references were entirely ironic. I assume you're not from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. No-one from my town has said it never happened. Please ammend your statement accordingly, as that is a complete falsification. I would not want people to pass judgement on reading that blatant lie. Thanks.

• Comment Read the comment by exolon then earlier. "I do live in Hampshire, England and I've never heard of this" Please, PLEASE stop with this hoax. Wildthing61476 21:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh for gods sake PLEASE PLEASE do some research! Why comment on an article you know NOTHING about? Hampshire is a county! Let me put it in layman's terms. I am from San Diego, and my friend is from San Francisco. We are both from California. We are not, from the same town. I do not know his local business, as it is obviously not local to me! Mon Dieu! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jamesr84 (talk • contribs) .

I've done research and pently and absolutely nothing can be found to verify this. The brden of proof is on YOU to show where this is located. Wildthing61476 21:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• CommentHampshire is not a town I’m afraid, my ‘wikifriend’, it is a county a large area, originally the domain of a count or earl. Counties include many towns, cities, villages and hamlets, and many inns, many of them with the same name

thanks P. Longhurst —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jpcrayford (talk • contribs) .

• Comment At the time of these supposed events, I lived around 30 miles from Lower Froyle. I still live in the county. So I'm local enough to know that this is complete and utter bullshit. To put it into context, around the same time there were a spate of attacks on horses in the area, and speculation was published in the local and national press that a "horse ripper" was responsible. Googling "horse ripper" + Hampshire pulls up quite a few relevant results. The fact that google can't find ANYTHING about this event tells me it's crap, regardless of my personal knowledge. And of course I can always phone the Hampshire Chronicle tomorrow and I'm 100% certain they will know nothing about a "monthly update on the debate, from 1994-1996". You're wasting everybody's time with this stupidity, GO AWAY. exolon 21:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I suspect that "wasting everybody's time with this stupidity" is the idea. Mr Stephen 21:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Right, with all due respect, will you please read what I write. I have said do your research in respect to knowing what Hampshire is, or in your case, what it certainly is not. Secondly, I stated QUITE CLEARLY, that I am but a humble beginner, and I extended a warm handshake to you, my friend and subject in the Great Imperial Colonies, and asked for assistance. I have the sources, and I wish to put them on. As stated before, I do not know how. I am asking for assistance with this. You cannot find reference for this anywhere, as a someone said, that is because many things live outside of Google. I for instance, cannot be found on Google, but I most certainly exsist. Faith too, is absent on Google, and yet I know many who have found that. Thank you in advance, and Godspeed.

The LORD will demonstrate his holy power before the eyes of all the nations. The ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God." - Isaiah 52:10

Is swearing at me and telling me to go away really in the spirit of wikipedia? I have offered the proof, I am not lying! I merely wished to make a contribution. Thank you for your help, rather than saying, please come forth with the sources, this is how you put them into the article, you use deplorable language and insults. I think I may just go away, this is certainly not a very nice community.

• Look, just post the scans and we'll beleive you. Most major press sources are extensively indexed by google and signifigant coverage should be detected via a google search. It is possible that some how this story slipped through, but you need to show us that by posting scans (or links) to the articles in question. Otherwise, delete. AmitDeshwar 21:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that i would quite happily 'upwikiload' my sources regarding Waspard (my favourite condiment). Its funny you say that your not on Google either, the same thing happened to me, maybe google needs to cite more sources, or we might have to take google out of the 'wikifunclub'. Allah akbar Thanks P. Longhurst —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpcrayford (talk • contribs)

I wish people would read what is written before comment. I wish to post the sources, so that all of the morons who live life by the judge before trial philosophy can apologise to me. However, as I have written a millions times before, an offer of some assistance would be welcome. If this is not possible; i.e. if you don't want me to upload the files, and help source the article, then this would be very distressing. Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesr84 (talk • contribs)

• Strong delete - Not notable and, even worse, not funny. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 21:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The Pet Duel debate seems to have become quite quiet now that some assistance has been requested. Perhaps the 'wikicommunity' allows it's pupils only to baldly critisize people contibutions, rather than offer assistance or even constructive critisism. Many thanks P. Longhurst

• Strong delete per nom. --Charlesknight 21:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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