Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Persecution of non-Muslims

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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. CDC (talk) 21:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Persecution of non-Muslims

The title of this article, being as unspecific as it is, is a POV fork. It is riddled with, lets call them inaccuracies, and whats with the Islam Category? --Irishpunktom\talk 09:13, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

    • if there is a problem with inaccuracies, correct them. If all inaccurate articles in Wikipedia were deleted instead of corrected, there would be no Wikipedia. Tnhis article needs to be deleted, though, because its name is incorrect and there exists a better alternative now. --Germen 09:18, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
  • keep (Abstain; I have no knowledge to judge the article by its merits). You did not provide convincing argument. POV fork of what? Why POV? Were non-muslims persecuted or not? If there are inaccuracies, please list them in the talk page or correct. mikka (t) 19:45, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete I don't see the point of this article. There are over 4 billion non-Muslims. How can we make one article about their persecution?Heraclius 22:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Indeed, the suggestion of Mustafaa is better i.e. to rename this article to "Religious prosecution by Muslims", which is I think a relevant subject. --Germen 09:00, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, only editor is a known problem user who has developed the obnoxious habit of creating new articles ([1], [2]) to suit his POV rather than being willing to cooperate with others on existing ones. (Trend within these articles is of course obvious.) Dcarrano 22:22, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
    • You have no proof for this thus baseless slander. I have contributed to several articles and cooperated with several authors. Unfortunately, some people seem to have trouble in distinguishing between their personal POV and NPOV. --Germen 09:00, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, cleanup, and neuter. The topic title is about as neutral as is the Persecution of Muslims article, and belongs in the same general Religious persecution suite. — RJH 23:30, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete; topic already treated better, under more meaningful titles, in Persecution_of_Christians#Islamic_persecution_of_Christians, Persecution of Jews#Arab and Islamic (sadly, Persecution of Hindus is junk.) "Persecution of non-Muslims" would refer to persecution of non-Muslims anywhere; what the author means is probably "Religious persecution by Muslims" (to which, if kept, this should be moved.) We don't have a "Religious persecution by..." series, as far as I know, and I don't think we need one. - Mustafaa 23:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
    • There does not exist a summary page yet. It makes sensde to have such a page I think. --Germen 09:21, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep or Merge with existing article. Persecution by Muslims is as legitimate as a subject as persecution of Muslims, so I do not see the point of earlier remarks. The remark of Mustafaa is valid, I will create a new article under this name, because the title he mentioned or "Persecution by Muslims" does not exist as yet. This one can then be deleted. --Germen 08:41, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and cleanup, as per RJH. JamesBurns 09:22, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Germen, it's creator and chiefe proponent agrees that "This one can then be deleted", as it stands this article could be about Persecution by Hindus of Christians, or Persecution of Hindus by Christians. It could be about Persecution of Jews by Hitler or his persecution of the Roma, etc. --Irishpunktom\talk 11:48, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, too broad for an article, "non-muslims" is not a group per se. Radiant_>|< 11:55, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete unnecesary POV article with overly broad scope. Another attempt by Germen to disrupt Wikipedia (WP:POINT) by creating more POV articles when his edits are rejected elsewhere. Why not focus on compromise and work on existing articles than consistantly attempting to circumvent Wikipedia policy in this way? Axon 14:03, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Hm, an interesting, but somewhat paranoid twist to the story. I am quite a fan of Wikipedia (as proven by many hours of editing), so disrupting Wikipedia is not in my interest. IO value good suggestions, so I have created a new article with a title proposed by user:Mustafaa. Check it out here: Religious persecution by Muslims
      • Paranoid: you've already created Prejudice (islam) and Prejudices (islam) articles, now both up for VfD, as well as attempting to re-create the successfully VfD'd Islamophilia article (an article which has been speedily deleted three times now). All these pages seem to contain content related to the protected Islamophobia article. Again, I ask that you focus on compromising and contributing to existing articles rather than rushing to create new articles whenever and whevever you can. You may find you feature less on the VfD pages if you do. Also, please always sign you comments with ~~~~. Axon 21:38, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
        • Of course, all disputed pages are about islam. The majority here agrees that the article ipse has reason to exist but disagree on its title. This problem has been fixed. --Germen 21:52, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete title is ridiculous and unencyclopedic. A "Persecution by Muslims" article might work, but should only exist if "Persecution by Christians" also exists. In any case, that can be created independently, without need of this tripe. Xoloz 17:51, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Ok, as per suggestion of several users I have started an article called Religious persecution by Muslims. I agree on deleting this gem ;). --Germen 20:07, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. --Viriditas | Talk 09:47, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. POV, unencyclopedic; see also Mustafaa's points. Jayjg (talk) 14:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge into Religious persecution by Muslims the wub "?/!" 15:27, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Handle persecution according to the religion of the victims, because it's more salient than the religion of the perpetrating regime. Grouping by persecutors is problematic because their motivations are not necessarily religious (the regime may not have an organized religion) and those responsible may actually be a more diverse body of powerful individuals, both in terms of religious and other interests. --Michael Snow 03:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete This topic is covered better elsewhere and under specific terms, rather than this general catch all "non-muslim". The original author seems to want it deleted. "Ok, as per suggestion of several users I have started an article called Religious persecution by Muslims. I agree on deleting this gem ;). --Germen 20:07, 18 July 2005 (UTC)" I agree. Hamster Sandwich 03:17, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, far too vague, implies non-Muslims are a monolithic group persecuted by a monolithic group of Muslims. --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 05:52, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete -- incredibly broad - the religious persecution by Muslims seems to be what was created here. gren 20:13, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
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