Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penny Loafers

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was majority consensus: keep --Aarktica 21:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Penny Loafers

Non-notable a cappella group. Article is mainly a list of current members and self-published albums. Only possible claim not notability is appearing on "compilation albums", both of which got deleted because they do not consistitute significant "awards". Savidan 15:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Delete per CSD:A7. "Radio shows and podcasts" aren't exactly difficult to get onto. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 19:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per WP:MUSIC --Lifthra 04:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep As I recall, bands that perform internationally are technically notable. It that's not so, then delete. YechielMan 15:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
As you can see on the talk page that criteria was added without consensus and is still under dispute. Even so, the important part of that criteria is that the "international concert tour" must be "reported in reliable sources" and the guidelines also previously stipulate that trivial mentions like schedules and dates don't count. Savidan 16:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
See my reply to Yechiel. Savidan 22:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Most of the info has been added by IP addresses originating at the UPENN campus. If it's truly a noteworthy group, someone outside the university should be making the article.Newark777 19:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, WjBscribe 00:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep I found some articles and posted them as references. would seem to just barely meet notability. If a music expert gives good cause that they do not meet notability, I would be ok with delete. Jeepday 03:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Of the sources added, two are internet-only: essentially blogs, and the other two are created by the group itself: basically a cappella myspace. Savidan 18:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep They may not be mainstream, but google search turns up a decent number of references. Yes, it is a college group and will most likely never be mainstream but they appear to have a regional following and some respect in the collegiate acapella scene. more information would benefit the article, however. --Entoaggie09 05:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Notable enough for inclusion, 20 years of existence and external references are present. Certainly more notable than many back yard pop bands that started "yesterday" and which wiki has made room for.--VS talk 07:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
None of the things mentioned in the previous two posts are WP:MUSIC criterion. Savidan 22:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep, disambig for group and shoe type The sources seem just enough to establish notablitiy, but I do think that Penny Loafters should redirect to a disambig for both the band (like Penny Loafters (band)) and the type of shoe usually associated with this name. Nate 09:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per the commenters above, meets WP:MUSIC guidelines now. Yamaguchi先生 01:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. This is a college a cappella group with NO PERMANENT MEMBERSHIP during its 20 year existence, so I wouldn't say that last year's reviews would count for very much. I believe one reason why we accept going on a national or internation tour would count heavily towards WP:MUSIC is that many bands fall apart whilst on tour, and I would argue that this criterion should not necessarily apply in the case of college groups because a large scale breakup will never happen - the group re-forms every year, by definition, with a new intake of students. If the group had a host of notable alumni, that would be different. The BOCA album is a paid-for (ie vanity) release, and like the majority of college groups, I suspect most of the other albums they have recorded are too (or are self-published). On the Floor, the only one available on Amazon, is ranked in the 785thousandsths. Ohconfucius 03:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC) :Note: Groups are required to pre-purchase 50 CDs at $5 apiece, for a total of $250, in order to appear on BOCA
  • Weak Keep, as per given reasons. Notability is not clearly established in the article, but the group is somewha notable nevertheless. --queso man 01:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete/Redirect to article on the shoes.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 05:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - college acapella group. Almopst every college I know has one, and I do not see a great enough assertion of notability to merit an article. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.