Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pennrose Mall

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. -- King of Hearts ^talk 23:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pennrose Mall

non notable mall ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 21:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

See also Pennrose Mall, Mayberry Mall. The creator of all these articles is the North Carolina vandal, who uses large numbers of sockpuppets. -- Curps 21:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

ABSOLUTE keep, there is not even any question. Infact I demand IMMEDIATE removal of the AfD!Some guy from tennessee 21:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Again a non-notable mall. JoshuaZ 21:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Emminently nn. Denni ☯ 00:24, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Of comparable size to other malls documented on Wikipedia. Been kicking around since the 60s. An institution, more notable than many museums listed on wikipedia, say. Anti-mall bias should not prevent the inclusion of this notable market Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 01:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Malls and shops are generally not notable. See Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Precedents#Cities_and_villages. --Metropolitan90 01:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I feel that this precedent should be challenged, as it is a product of simple anti-mall cultural bias. Large malls are more notable than most museums documented on Wikipedia - I don't particularly love them, but malls are very notable local institutions and centers of commerce. Simple distaste for the subject, and a view that different instances of the subject are a bit samey...does not suffice as a criterion for deletion when the subject is of clear note. The massive size of many individual malls makes them features in the lives of millions or hundreds of thousands of people and clearly notable. Anyone who has a similar opinion of this precedent (i.e. that it excludes notable institutions from the encyclopedia due to cultural bias), let's begin opposing it here. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 01:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep A useful local history article. Osomec 02:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per policy and nom. feydey 19:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as it is perfectly notable. Keep this and Eden MallParkerhimin 20:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment The above is a sockpuppet of the North Carolina vandal, no other contributions. -- Curps 21:10, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Curps and Metropolitan90. It might be marginally more notable than Eden Mall or Mayberry Mall, but it's a hair-splitting exercise in degrees of NN. It also looks like WP:NOR. Slowmover 22:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Being located in a small community, it is likely a commercial center of that community - and, as such, as important as a local state park or something on that idea. What's more, it's been around for decades. Notable commercial institution. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 22:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Local notability, if it is relatively unknown outside its immediate community, does not meet the standard for notability on Wikipedia. Slowmover 15:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

If it has been notable for the community then it might make sense to merge it in to the article about the community. It doesn't deserve its own article. JoshuaZ 22:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

You could do the same with museum articles, but no one seems to do that Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 22:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as the most notable mall since Mayodan.Reidkins 02:49, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment This user has no edits other than edits to the malls currently under review. Is most likely a sockpuppet of the NC vandal. JoshuaZ 05:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. All malls should have articles here because they are the local landmarks of our times, often replacing Main Street or town squares. They have as much influence on towns as highways, schools, or stadiums. They are substantial economic enterprises and raise major issues involving land use, taxation, and globalization. Too many people love to talk, read or write about them for us to play silly games and try to exclude them. This may be hard for people to believe, but in the real world, they are far more important than the latest Virtual community, Pokemon card, or webcomic. -- JJay 11:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: see Wikipedia_talk:Notability#Notability_of_buildings for an attempt at discussion of notability of buildings (including malls) in general. Friday (talk) 15:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. Encyclopedias are reference books that deal with all fields of knowledge (the word comes from the Greek words enkyklios paideia, meaning general or well-rounded education). Since Wikipedia doesn't have very many size constraints, we can include a lot of stuff. Also, I'm not sure it's worth destroying someone else's work and alienating that person--who could be a contributor to other articles as well--over an issue as uncertain as notability. Something increadibly notable to a physicist may be non-notable to a chemist, for example.--Primetime 21:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.