Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paulo Colaiacovo
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 18:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Paulo Colaiacovo
This page is about an ice hockey player who's major notability is that he is the twin brother of Toronto Maple Leafs defenceman Carlo Colaiacovo. He hasn't done anything really to merit his own Wikipedia article, nor does it look like he will anytime in the near future. Needless to say the article is also poorly done. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 04:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Is this article for real? Flibirigit 04:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Delete Player who, thus far, has topped out at the lowest minor pro leagues with nothing else to assert notability as a hockey player. Resolute 04:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)Deleteper above. --Djsasso 05:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)- Keep Hadn't seen the OHL goaltender of the year stuff when I first looked at the article. Don't know if that was added later or not. --Djsasso 14:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment I suggest redirecting to his brother, and mentioning there. If he manages to play in a higher league, an article can be made then. FrozenPurpleCube 05:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment I don't even know if a re-direct is necessary though, this article is hardly linked to, and the one's that are relevant that he is his name would not be the only red link on ths list... His only blip on the screen appears to be winning the OHL Goalie of the Year award. The only reason I would find him notable is because I follow the OHL, but in the grand scheme of things he doesn't even close to making the cut. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 05:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Redirects are cheap, and it'd discourage this from coming up again. Of course, if there's more to say about him as the person below suggests, that might change things. FrozenPurpleCube 13:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment I don't even know if a re-direct is necessary though, this article is hardly linked to, and the one's that are relevant that he is his name would not be the only red link on ths list... His only blip on the screen appears to be winning the OHL Goalie of the Year award. The only reason I would find him notable is because I follow the OHL, but in the grand scheme of things he doesn't even close to making the cut. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 05:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Delete Fails the WP:HOCKEY notability criteria. Elrith 06:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Per RGTraynor below. Elrith 23:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment The WP:HOCKEY notability criteria is only for the focus of the project for article creation, not notability for deletion decisions. ColtsScore 07:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment When we say its not for deletions we mean we aren't going to use it to go wild on deleting a million articles. It is valid for it to come into play when deleting an article. That is inevitable. --Djsasso 13:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment The WP:HOCKEY notability criteria is only for the focus of the project for article creation, not notability for deletion decisions. ColtsScore 07:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep, allow time for the article to be fixed - Paulo Colaiacovo won the OHL Goaltender of the year award, and won a bronze medal in the World Junior Ice Hockey Championships. Both those are top-level accomplishments at the amateur level for that age range. He's also played a few seasons with the Colorado Eagles which is a fully professional team. His amateur & professional career both fit the WP:BIO requirements. None of this is reflected in the article as it is now. I'll add links to the references, and all it needs is some rewriting. ColtsScore 07:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Actually the World JUNIOR Ice Hockey Championships is not considered top level, nevermind that the amateur part of the requirements only applies to sports that don't have a professional level. --Djsasso 13:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure that the amateur part of WP:BIO applies to all sports. An Olympic basketball player, for example, would never be excluded because he's never played in the NBA.
Also, I know you're not from Canadabut the World Junior Championships (at Christmas) are much more notable here than the equivalent men's championships held in the spring each year. ColtsScore 17:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)--Well, I guess we'll have to discuss World Junior notability elsewhere. ColtsScore 17:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)- Actually I am from Canada. And yes the World Junior Championships are big I don't disagree. But they are junior and its well established that junior in an of itself is not notable enough. The criteria says top level of amateur competition and top level would be the World Championships. Outside Canada the World Championships are a much bigger deal. As much as I hate to say it as a Canadian....we are out to lunch when it comes to appreciating international competitions. --Djsasso 22:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure that the amateur part of WP:BIO applies to all sports. An Olympic basketball player, for example, would never be excluded because he's never played in the NBA.
- Comment Actually the World JUNIOR Ice Hockey Championships is not considered top level, nevermind that the amateur part of the requirements only applies to sports that don't have a professional level. --Djsasso 13:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: Folks, this passes the WP:HOCKEY notability criteria. "Achieved preeminent honors (all-time top ten career scorer, league or playoff MVP, first team all-star, All-American) in ... a major junior league such as the Ontario Hockey Association ..." (emphasis mine) I'd say OHL Goaltender of the Year would qualify as first team all-star/preeminent honors. RGTraynor 14:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: per RGTraynor. Patken4 20:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: per RGTraynor. Just a little uncomfortable with the article creator's reason for creating the article (see page history). GoodDay 21:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep per RGTraynor. Junior career honours were not asserted when I first viewed the article. Personally, I would consider the World Juniors to be a top flight event, and from a Canadian perspective, it is actually considered more prestigeous than the World Senior championships are. Resolute 23:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: per RGTraynor above. --Pparazorback 23:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment I forgot about his bronze medal at the WJC, which enhances his notability just a lil bit, but I still don't find him notable enough to merit an article. My nomination had hardly anything to do with the WP:Hockey guidelines, which were more for article creation as asserted above. As well to refute ColtsScore's point, I hardly consider the CHL (that is Central Hockey League) notable enough for hockey player articles, it is more semi-pro than fully professional. However if indeed the consensus is to keep, I'll have no bones about it especially considering how the article has been fixed up... If it has to get to the point of AFD before these articles are fixed, why not just nominate every crappy hockey player article for deletion? Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 01:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment: It's a tactic that's been used, I'm afraid. A lot of folks out there are more sanguine with taking the time to file an AfD than in taking 10x time to improve the article. RGTraynor 02:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep per the commenters above, the subject holds encyclopedic merit. Yamaguchi先生 07:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
