Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Cromie

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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 05:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Cromie

I nominate this page for deletion on the grounds that the person is not notable except for the fact that he is a BNP councillor. I suspect a bit of BNP self-promotion.--Ketlan 23:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep In the article's discussion page I wrote "He's prominent all right. Elected as a Bradford councillor (beating Conservative sitting member). Features regularly in BNP publications." (And my apologies for the oversight in not signing that.) I don't know why this article was started, but I have added some detail to it. It is not my intention to promote the BNP and self-promotion is out of the question here. Here's why he is notable. (I am now going to stray into POV areas, but this is a discusssion where views are allowed and expected, not an article, so OK.) He is notable not because he was ELECTED, not because he is a COUNCILLOR, not because he BEAT A SITTING CANDIDATE from a mainstream party, but because he is all of that AND represents a neo-Nazi party. That makes him stand out from the run-of-the-mill. The BNP uses him as a mask of respectability ("look, we have a councillor who beat the Tories"). In addition, there are background issues (not yet resolved, but you will find them if you do a Google search) that suggest bribery of voters, police raids etc etc. How to cover these in the article without accusations of bias I don't know, but I'm working on it. Emeraude 00:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete The fact that he's a current councillor, having beaten an assortment of other parties, is irrelevant - other BNP councillors (indeed, many councillors from any party) are in precisely the same position of having beaten a sitting councillor to get where they are. I used to be a councillor and I beat a sitting councillor but I'm not in here.

I know of the background issues involved (and I'd leave off mentioning that in the article at all until verdicts are in if I were you, to avoid any chance of litigation) but I don't consider that this marks him out - so many BNP councillors have criminal records that he would still be no great exception even if he should be tried and found guilty. I'm inclined to let it go just because you used the phrase 'neo-nazi' but I don't think these people should be legitimised in any way unless they've done something exceptional (like Derek Beacon, for example).

• Regarding the lack of signature - no problem, I'm always forgetting to do it, too.--Ketlan 05:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. I found a newspaper story about accusations of vote-buying and added it as a reference. I don't know whether that makes the person notable or not. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 16:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I share Ketlan's distate for legitimizing neo-Nazis but factual reporting of their electoral successes is proper encyclopedic material. JamesMLane t c 11:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Emeraude. Catchpole 21:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.