Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patriots (Metal Gear) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to List of recurring Metal Gear characters. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-02-11 11:34Z

[edit] Patriots (Metal Gear)

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It's six months later, and few of the critical issues raised in the last AFD have been resolved. This is still extremely detailed plot summary, with no claim of real-world notability whatsoever, organized entirely in an in-universe way. The bulk of the article is still original research, synthesizing details from the relevant video games into an essay. No article would benefit from a merge; several of the game articles are GAs or on their way to GA (with one FA), and none of them need this indigestible lump of plot summary plopped onto their plates. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete unless real world context and analysis provided Per WP:NOT, plot summaries should include information on real world context or analysis with suitable independent references. Articles which only describe plot details do not meet that part of policy. Delete unless the article is modified to include independent references (ie published sources beyond the games themselves) that discuss The Patriots in a meaningful way. Dugwiki 21:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep It's beign worked on it takes time. What if someone looks up this key element to the Metal Gear story. †he Bread ³⁰⁰⁰ 22:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, worst case, you can always put the article in your user space temporarilly and have some sources and context and I mentioned above. That way you still have a draft of it available without having it in the article space until it's ready for inclusion. Dugwiki 23:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per Dugwiki. Sources from outside the game itself are desperately needed. If The Bread or anyone wishes to Userfy to correct this issue and others mentioned here, I would agree to that. Ripberger 23:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete or Redirect to Metal Gear Solid 2 - Have to agree with AMiB on the in-universe perspective/original research here. This article feels more like something out of a fansite than an encyclopedic article. If it doesn't get deleted, at the very least it needs a serious rewrite.Jonny2x4 02:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
• I've had a thought about it, why not merge it into List of recurring Metal Gear characters, this way it can be easily redirected somewhere without having to loose the info. You could summarise what they do in each game fairly shorter than what's done now, i'll put up an example soon †he Bread³⁰⁰⁰ 06:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

  Mm. How about, no matter what the outcome (save for keep, I suppose), I move this page to your userspace? I'm not sure any version similar to the current one is particularly worth saving, but if you think you can hack it down into something that would benefit the character list I don't want to stop you. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

  Alrighty then. I can cut it down to three paragraphs easy an I remember comming across some commentary from Kojima about their role in the series so I could add that also. †he Bread³⁰⁰⁰ 02:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.